I been in this company! Too much hype and bad people! No such thing as free bmw!

I wish this was tired of seeing naive friends posting this crap. Someone start a page of Visalus scam as they have so much money invested online, it’s near impossible to find anything against them!

Pretty sure I haven’t had any problem selling and using the product! It is a great product and people need what Visalus is selling. We live in a nation of unhealthy people trying to find a way to become healthy. Visalus offers a way to do that AND make money. Who wouldn’t want to buy it?

If it was legit, their crap would be sold in stores and they would be popular. The product is garbage and the program is a scam in every way, no difference from 5 lynks or Primerica

Really? Then why is it that EVERY SINGLE ONE of my clients has lost at least 3-5 lbs a week. I have gone from 16.8% body fat to 13.2% in three weeks! The proof is in the results my friend! How can you sit there and say it is crap when you probably haven’t even tried the product?

It’s interesting. I’ve been approached by friends who seem to be inviting people every week for a “challenge”. I suspected it was nothing more than multi level marketing, which is a nice way for a legal pyramid scheme. But what I’ve found is that Visalus representatives have a clear strategy to overwhelm Google searches of “Visalus scam” with their own “independent third party” reviews. Why would they do this, if it’s as good as they claim? Why set up such a defense of the term “Visalus scam” when they would tell you that Visalus is definitely not a scam. It’s a scam.

As for Amber, so, your “clients” lost weight.  There is one way to lose weight.  You take in less than you burn off.  If their product was the miracle it claimed, they wouldn’t have to rely on duping people into duping people — stores would be banging on their stores to sell it.
These outfits operate on a cult mentality, so I can see why those who are for it, are so passionate about it…but talk to me in 5 years and tell me how much money you’ve made…or lost…

Amber M. fails to realize that not everyone needs to lose weight, and the people she roped into it probably did not exercise OR eat right so OF COURSE they would be losing weight if they replaced any meal with a shake of less calories. a MLM (multi-level marketing) scheme IS a pyramid scheme. This is a scam. It is sad to see a former classmate sucked into this cult. I had to de-friend her because I thought she was hacked on Facebook but apparently their plan is to annoy their friends and try to sell their crap.

of course you are using this product! You are probably the main one buying it because your more intelligent friends and acquaintances know better. And so you can keep your “label” that the company promised you.  Becoming healthy is as simple as eating healthy foods (i.e. fruits and veggies and REAL food) and exercising. It is simple but nobody wants to do the work to be healthy. They want a slim-quick plan that offers INSANT results and that’s where YOU come in.
People don’t need what you’re selling. You want them to think that so YOU will make money.

There is only one way to do this. Eat right, drink plenty of water and exercise. This takes a lifestyle change. What are people going to do? Drink shakes and take pills for the resr of their lives? People are always looking for the easy way to do things.

I have friend right now who has gotten sucked into believing she is going to make a TON of money and that she can achieve her BMW within 45 days she has hassled me and hassled me for days trying to get me to join her and I have continued to refuse a life lesson I learned young was if something sounds too good to be true it is and making money pretty much by talking to people and getting a free BMW is too good to be true I just hope my friend realizes it before the screw her over…

There is alot of naive people! The people that building your lives with positive people in a positive enviroment. I hear you all complain and say scam. But I am sure your stuck in yojr dead end job complaining about life. Visalus has changed my life and my familys. I am healthier and feeling better than I have ever in my life! I drive a FREE BMW and help countless people get there health back in order and I help many financially. So if this is wrong then something is wrong with this world. I help people and my community everyday! What do you do for people or your community that is a positive thing?

I am a promoter of this company earning 5 figures a month and we earned our free BMW in month.  On top of that we have 32 friends driving free cars too and many making additional $2000-10000/month into their households.  None of us have ever been in MLM before.  So I would say…proof is in a pudding.  If the product works (which it does…ask my many customers that are losing weight and gaining muscle)…it sells itself and your business will thrive!  As far as MLM being a pyramid…let me ask you about your corporate structure?  Do you earn as much as your supervisor, managers, or CEO.  Likely not, so if you aren’t earning as much as the person on the top, I guess that makes it a pyramid as well.  BUT I will point out with this MLM, I am earning more than the person who sponsored me.  Weird how that happens….and the pyramid just collapsed!  Sorry MLM and pyramid schemes are not the same thing.  Take the time to look them both up.

I’ve been doing Visalus for a month with not one bite…no one wants to do it…on top of that several people I know who do monavie laughed at me and won’t switch over. Meanwhile I’m watching the happy-go-lucky statuses of my upline on facebook while I worry about paying rent next month. I’m so sad, I told them that I couldn’t afford to do this unless it worked and it hasn’t worked at all for me. I feel lost, and frustrated, and taken advantage of.

You could start by learning how to use the language better.

Listen, All you skeptics are idiots! I’m not yet an active member of Visalus  but….. I just attended the Orlando Visalus Vitality Event with over 6000 people this past weekend and watched over 1000 BMW’s awarded to Visalus members. I also personally watched three members awarded 250,000 each because of their level of achievement in Visalus. Our personal friend and his wife were awarded 25,000. To all you that don’t believe in this, keep your day job and book your 3 day cruise on Carnival next year with all the other loosers……. If you want to dream big, get yourself to a challenge party, no joke. We have been using the product with excellent results. We are so excited to get rolling. If someone says it is a scam, they are uninformed and I recommend you make new friends. Seriously!

sounds like work at home united (melaleuca)

losing 3.5% body fat in 3 weeks isn’t even healthy, so even if you are speaking the truth, the product sucks.  

These MLM prey on people who are desperate and are looking for a get rich quick scheme.  They in turn try to confince their friends and family to buy this product by preying on their poor body image.  The company only wants you for your connections and when they run out they are not your freinds anymore and neither are your freinds.

I think your comments are very sad.  You forget to look at all the jobs they add to this desperate economy and that you don’t have to do much but let the product results sell itself.  If it was in GNC than it wouldn’t be giving many people a chance to have a job or make a business out of it,  there would only be a handful of people getting the financial benefits.  Look at it another way, a lot of people are getting unbelievable results on it and not only that, but couples and families are working together in helping others reach their goals and earn some money in the process!
What’s wrong with people helping people get healthy and earning a living in the process?  You hand the fast food chains money to get rich for their garbage, are you complaining about that!

MLM’s have no mechanism to control product saturation, nor do they care to. Infinite salespeople selling infinite supply of product. The product is the cover for selling the dream of becoming rich. Everyone who succeeds at these succeed on the backs of low level distributors buying into the training process to becoming rich. Imagine if we had to buy products and services in the real world that paid over rides and royalties to 8-10 uninvolved distributor layers. 

Thank you for this explanation about the “too good to be true” BMW.  These selling schemes often cause friends to put other friends on the spot w/ the sales pitch, turning what was once a genuinely caring relationship into opportunism…can’t stand this kind of stuff.
Plus, IF you want to lose weight, it’s possible to do it for FREE, and then put that money you didn’t spend on the product aside to buy yourself a decent car. 
Here’s the program:
Eat fewer carbs and less fat, drink more water and unsweetened tea, consume lots of produce, lean meats and fish, and move your body through space for 30 minutes four times a week.  That’s it!

To get a BMW you have to sell a certain amount  (12,500 a month) with three other people under you to sell also,  You get $600 to lease a black BMW with their advertisement on it.  If you don’t sell enough to earn the $600 guess who’s responsiblity the lease is, that’s right yours.  You have to get the lease on your own.  To get a lease you have to have good credit and a JOB. The agreement you sign with Visalus says in the first few lines you are not an employee of the company or do you represent them. They do not ask you to sell for them or to recruit anyone else to sell for them.  If you are sued they do not provide you with a lawyer or have any responsibility to or for you. Good Luck on getting that lease. If you do not make to money to pay for the lease than you have to buy them out or etc……

Have you asked for help? have you gone to GST’s inyour area?

That’s because the person who recruited you is not the greatest leader, or perhaps is learning how to become a leader….. Sometimes this happens. Get on your website and disect the training videos in your back office. I just qualified for regional director yesterday in less that 2 months! Don’t QUIT & DON’T lose faith!!!  Keep your eye on the GOAL! Good luck girly <3 God bless.

It’s disheartening to hear the ignorance seeping from every word in this post.  I can tell you with 100% conviction that this company is the furthest thing from a scam and for the record you can BUY your BMW, you don’t have to lease.  If you don’t want to get a BMW, then just collect the $300/month cash instead, it’s completely up to you.  2 weeks ago, I watched 5.25 million dollars in bonuses given away at the company event.  Let me ask you, what does your day job boss give you for all the work you put in?  I bet it’s a nice Turkey or maybe a gift certificate for a night out at Applebee’s.  My girlfriend lost 24 lbs. so far and is going to walk down the isle next month with a smile on her face and a tiny little waist.  Another friend is down 50lbs. and is no longer at the mercy of her Blood Pressure medication.  Obesity is the #1 killer in our Nation today, and the difference between what we have and a “scam”, is that we actually have products that work and a business model that is untouched.  Please.  You were intelligent enough to put up a website, do more research next time.  

Medifast offers the same type of products without the training program to become obscenely rich. They also have a plan to keep the weight off after the shakes. It is annoying to most people to be told that they are poor they are working for a living considering on 8% of the people in the world even own a car. I’ll take my turkey and gift certificate and keep my $200 a month.

Obviously this is just YOUR OPINION! “The content on this site is provided without any warranty, express or implied. All opinions expressed on this site are those of the author and may contain errors or omissions. No material here constitutes “investment advice” nor is it a recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument, including but not limited to stocks, options, bonds or futures. Actions you undertake as a consequence of any analysis, opinion or advertisement on this site are your sole responsibility.”

Wait a minute Mr Genius, you are stating that websites have disclosures…WOW…that is simply genius my friend…it is our opinion based on many people that have been defrauded by this MLM company of which many have commented here.

Use Common Sense if the owners are making all this money and so are the Reps. The product must totally worthless because there is no money going in to the product. Besides who wants to oack around a bag of mis, blender,milk, etc., after all this is 2011 there are better ways to package a product. What businesses ask their salesmen to recurit their compitetion abd take alower percentage of compensation.  Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

We all seem to have an opinion about this company. Some good, some not so good.  But what I have learned in this life so far, is that there are two sides to every story.  I have not yet joined Visalus, or even tried their products, but I do know that every day when we step out our front doors there is a world of uncertainty ahead of us and if we don’t take a chance on something then we will never know what might have been.  I have been to two different doctors in the past month and have been given three different diagnosis and three different medications. So I think that it couldn’t hurt to try something new and hopefully positive to help my current health situation. If people are doing this “business” soley for the money then they are doing it for the wrong reasons. But if someone is doing it to better their health and good things follow then thats just a plus. Good Luck to all of you out there for and against this product.  I wish you all good health!

I tried this 3 months ago went from 148 to 132 and love the way it works.  My Sister also likes it and has lost 15lbs in two months.  And I forgot to say I off My blood pressure med and feel great.

Okay i wanted to look into this because it is in Yahoo’s Top news right now about how this Company is Paying Off BIG.  (Ryan established his first company, 24-7 Tech when he was only twenty-one years old. Since then, he has created and actively invested in multiple start-ups and has become a self-made multimillionaire. After he sold his company ViSalus Sciences to Blyth in early 2008, the global recession took the company to the brink of failure resulting in a complete write off of the stock and near bankruptcy. Ryan as CEO went “all in” betting his last million dollars on its potential and turned the company around from the edge of failure to more than $150,000,000 a year in revenue in only 16 months winning the coveted DSN Global Turn Around Award in 2010. In this interview, Ryan talks about how he re-branded himself after being in a gang, the issues with the education system, and more.) Here is the Full story of his life and keys to Riches
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/power-your-future/entrepreneurship-nothing-lose-everything-gain-183145165.html

I have to agree, if you search around for honest information about this company it becomes clear that they have invested a significant amount of time and money into “sunshine pumping” The people I know who sell this crap claim that it cures all kinds of disease and is the greatest weight loss product in the history of man. Of course they have lost some weight. That tends to happen when you go from eating fast food at every meal to drinking a shake. Come back in 2-3 years and you will find most of these people put the weight all back on and are falling for some other scheme. They also spend as much if not more time trying to tell people how rich they will become if they sell this crap too. If the product is so great and so amazing it should virtually sell itself and the people involved shouldn’t have to pimp business so much. The truth is it’s just another pyramid scheme. They are also masters of what I would call miss-information. Recently they claimed to have been featured in the Wall Street Journal Magazine. Yes they were “in” it, but not in the way they try to make people believe. An insert produced by a company that does significant advertising for MLM companies was purchased and placed in the magazine. In that purchased advertisement insert was a page advertising visalus paid for by visalus. So they paid a company who paid a company to place and ad. Even the marketing is like a pyramid, haha. Save your money and don’t get involved in this crap you can do better. Get an education and get an amazing job really helping people not scamming them.  

First of all, it’s great to hear that you have one of those too-good-to-be-true-o-meters. ;) Sad to say, but a lot of folks don’t and fall for the get rich quick schemes without thoroughly researching the “golden opportunity” at hand.I’ll give you my own “is ViSalus a Scam? – answered from a marketing and PR perspective” after the research I’ve done…The company has negative ‘propaganda’ that was most active in April and May of 06, upon their launch, but they continue to innovate with the launch of Neuro Smart Energy in ‘07 (which has tremendous marketability based on the unique formulation of DMAE or “brain food”) the launch of their Trim Slim Shape™ Weight Management System in ’08 and, now in ’09, they have just launched their social networking community called Vi-Net to support these products (which seem pretty comparable in ingredient comparisons from their website). That’s indicator number one that ViSalus is not a scam. After 3 years of being slandered on notorious forums like scam.com, they continue to innovate and haven’t fallen by the wayside – or been indicted – which speaks volumes in this economy.They have partnered with BLYTH, a successful publicly traded corporation and home expressions company in the direct sales arena. I wouldn’t think BLTH would jeopardize their shareholders, brand and assets unless they had made an extremely educated decision in answering that question for themselves before finalizing the strategic partnership, “Is ViSalus a Scam?” Indicator number two.The final indicator that has convinced me personally that ViSalus isn’t a scam is that the ViSalus CEO, Ryan Blair, is someone regarded highly in the media – especially on CNBC and the Big Idea with Ronny Deutch where he was featured as a multi-million dollar serial entrepreneur in showing America how to become successful quickly. Now I’m pretty sure that with all these news organizations promoting Ryan’s success and legacy, that they would have done their due diligence in finding out, “is ViSalus a scam?” It would be a PR nightmare for them if there were people being scammed by ViSalus with Ryan Blair at the helm so I’m sure if there ever was the possibility of ViSalus being a scam, they (the media, CNBC etc..) would be the first one’s to broadcast it on a national scale just to cover their mess up in promoting a fraud – which I don’t foresee happening.Good luck in your decision because that is of course entirely up to you after you have reviewed all resources for yourself. In my opinion, based on this research ViSalus is NOT a scam. One last word of advice, don’t let these videos from MLM marketers who aren’t even involved with ViSalus, and just spam their video titles with (scam) for controversy to drive traffic and peddle their wares, waste your time.I’ll leave you with this…what impresses me most is that ViSalus is proactive in giving back to the community. I came across their profile on a new charity network called Make the Difference Network or MTDN. Anyone who gives back to the community and charitable organizations in this economy is A-OK in my book.Best of luck and hope it helped!
Source(s):
http://www.ViSalusVideo.comhttp://www.ViSalusScams.comhttp://www.Marketing.MyVi.nethttp://www.mtdn.com/visalushttp://www.visalus.com

go to http://www.bodytalk.myvi.net and join the Body by Vi challenge.

Bodytalk thank you so much for setting the record straight about ViSalus.  People also can check out one of our major investors BLYTH Ind.  They are a multiillion dollar company who owns or has major shares in multiple companys including Partylite and Two Sisiters Gourmet.  The reason this company is so successful is that it is the products and real life experiences and successes that sell themselves.  A story is worth a thousand words and people really need to do research before trying to bash something.  You have Nothing to Lose but Everything to Gain if you just give it a chance and check it out.  ViSalus also has a community Challenge that you should check out.

Another satisfied customer
http://www.425907.bodybyvi.com

Bodytalk thank you so much for setting the record straight about ViSalus.  People also can check out one of our major investors BLYTH Ind.  They are a multiillion dollar company who owns or has major shares in multiple companys including Partylite and Two Sisiters Gourmet.  The reason this company is so successful is that it is the products and real life experiences and successes that sell themselves.  A story is worth a thousand words and people really need to do research before trying to bash something.  You have Nothing to Lose but Everything to Gain if you just give it a chance and check it out.  ViSalus also has a community Challenge that you should check out.

Another satisfied customer
http://www.425907.bodybyvi.com

Hahaha Bodytalk has been copying and pasting the same response VERBATIM for the past 2-3 years under different aliases.  Where there’s smoke…

your boss is a scamer plan and simple

your boss is a scamer plan and simple

God your an idiot, get a real job

Thats because you were taken advantage of, come on any company who has huge “motivational speaking parties” and that you have to sell a product for on your own is not a job

Haha I know I have seen this exact same response on Yahoo answers and others. People who believe and participate in this are outrageously stupid.

Well, I have read all the posts here and I am completely disgusted with all the negative posts I have read here about Visalus. Either you are obese & poor & can’t afford the products or just plain jealous. As one of the founders, Blake Mallen taught us to say when someone says something negative “That’s amazing” Now all you dream stealers go away!

Keep drinking the Koolaid.  The ones buying this are the ones looking for a quick fix.  Ask any of them that lost weight what there eating habits were before the “challenge,”  I am sure you will hear it was horrible.  It is no miracle why they are losing weight now.  If they drank 2 Mc Donalds shakes a day and had a sensible dinner they would still be losing weight.  Remember the thighmaster?

I am sure the product not only helps people to lose weight but also, gives people more energy, like myself.
http://healthandnutrition.myvi.net

This shake mix that taste like cake mix, is truly changing peoples lives, regardless of those who don’t believe in it.  We all are en-titled to our own opinion.  But, personally know it works, losing 7 pounds in a month, on and off the product. 

Blessings,
 John

Wow….I love how JohnWRhodes doesn’t get that the whole article is about identifying scams and nearly in the same breath he tries to peddle his crap. Hey JohnWRhodes….get a REAL JOB with REAL PRODUCTS! 

I know it is a scame as i worked for those crooks

you work for them, don’t you

you work for them ,don’t you

What i dont get is why are you bashing it. Have you tried it. lol im a real person not some fake post. I have lost weight off the product so have my friends and even my girlfriend. She has lost 66lbs off the product and is healthier then ever. I wont call it a miracle shake but it really works. And as for making money off it it? Its a job, in my area its a 38% unemployment rate, this is creating jobs for people like me. My parents are even doing it and theyr happier then ever. I see that your a none believe or maybe you tried selling it but you just are a lonely sob staying up all night flaming about different things, and have no friends =)

All i have to say is.

http://www.alyshia.bodybyvi.com

I am a director about to qualify for RD and my sales are growing because why? My friends & Family/customers/nutritionist’s/even my psyio-therapist loves it. Why would they wanna tell people about a product that doesn’t work.

Also i don’t give a sh** about the owners, who makes it who profits i don’t care. Were making money losing weight. Whats to complain?

It is amazing that the people who are selling this stuff have drunk the kool-aid so heavily that they come on a web site debunking Visalus as a fraud and put up their links.  Who are you trying to sell to each other.  The rest of us have already figured out the scam. Have you made all your friends and family mad. Sad……..

Be very careful and please don’t give up on finding a real job, one that gives benefits: paid vacation, medical,etc.. A job that the Company will proudly say yes they work for me. A job that you can put down on a loan or lease application. Please be careful also that you don’t get in debt with these people.  This company tore a part our family. You want a job that pays you a wage you can count on and you don’t have to scam and lie to people.

This has recently become popular in my area and I know someone who is selling it…I even got invited to one of the “challenge” parties. I didn’t go because mainly because I knew I couldn’t afford to buy anything (I had to search the internet to find the prices b/c the people who sell it aren’t really that forth coming with that info).  I also heard that if you want to sell it, you have to put up money to do that but I could be wrong on that…Anyway, I knew it was a scam the minute I heard about it and I won’t be “drinking the koolaid” LOL.

How am i scamming and lieing to people?

Its a total scam….but people fall for it, wanting a magic pill solution.  I always hear the same thing: ‘Oh, I lost 100lbs on visalus….blah blah blah…bmw…blah blah blah…’   Hey, you morons…it’s called meal replacement.  If I replaced one meal with blueberry purree and pin sap, I would lose weight….but it doesn’t mean that its healthy.  All Viasalus is is Slimfast under a pyramid scheme.  It’s ridiculous.  People will use it for a while and the second they stop using it, most people will gain the weight back.  Weight loss is simple mathmatics.

I don’t sell the stuff, but I do take it. I have been 100 pounds overweight for more than half my life due to some terrible diet choices and a lack of exercise. Exercise and changing my diet only increased my muscle mass, but didn’t make me LOSE size which was what I wanted, so I tried to replace two of my meals with slim fast as well… which is basically protein, loads of sugar, and sodium, and make up for the loss of nutrition with one solid meal and two healthy snacks. I lost a few pounds slowly and then it evened out and I gained it back. In my opinion the biggest problem with any other meal replacement is the massive amounts of sugar and sodium that are used to make the “shakes” taste good enough to consume. Visalus has a negligible amount of sugar, low sodium, and doesn’t rob me of the nutrients of a normal, healthy meal. I personally don’t have any experience with the company, so you can say what you like about them, but I’m finally losing FAT from my body without feeling like shit all day. The company may have some insane scheme for pulling in sales people, but the product is the only legit thing out there. Sometimes things DO work. – A fellow skeptic that was proven wrong.

Because you are telling them that this outdated mix is going to make them slim and cure their health problems and that ,oh by the way sign up to sell and you’ll become rich.  You have these people telling you that you have to get your friends and family to buy because no one else will unless they are.  They promise you a BMW. but you have to lease it your self must be black and advertise them. They send you $600 every month to pay for it and if you don’t sell $12500 a month and have three people under you oops it’s your baby.  Try getting a lease without a job. They tell you on the contract that you are not a employee and you not represent them. They say they do not ask you to sell their product or to recruit anyone.  We know this is a lie. They take no reponsiblity for you or to you.  Her’s a tip better put at least 15% a side to pay your social secutiry taxes, since you are not an employee you have to pay both sides of SS tax for any amount you receive. 

Slimfast has sugar. Spiru-tein tastes bad and doesn’t play nice with my tummy. I hear from my buddy that Amway tastes terrible.  Absolutely you can loose weight by doing any number of things. However, Visalus is something you can tolerate. I also lift weights and I am tired of spending money at GNC when I just ‘pass’ most of the good stuff out of my system before it is absorbed.

if you just want to use the product will they try to make you sell it?

Sure is ironic that this site is hating on Visalus, yet is doing the same b.s. it condemns, trying to sell ebooks on how to achieve overnight success… haha… Hi pot, say hello to kettle… can’t stand a little competition and have to knock them down ?  

 You betcha that is the way the make their money.  That is why it is a pyramid scam

Do you not recognize sarcasm. This is not advertising it is making fun of all the gimmics they use.

this doesn’t replace your job, it helps you lose weight, get fit, stay healthy, and if you do become distributor, you’ll make a little extra money on your spare time.  let’s just say you signed up for weight watchers and you lost weight, 10 people ask you about how you lost weight and you tell them, and they all sign up, and then they lose weight and tell 10 people, how much money did you make…NONE!!  With Visalus you would be generating income plus getting you stuff for free.  Money coming in none going out

no.  i only buy it because it worked for me.  18 lbs in 1 month.

Wow, how brainwashed!  I have heard that “dream-stealer” crap from a brainwashed co-worker who is peddling this crap (she is driving us all crazy and has lost all her friends by being pushy…desperate, I guess).

I think it is incredibly sad that people are falling for this scam.  Brainwashed sums it all up.

dude, that wasn’t in Yahoo’s Top news, it only showed up because of the cookies on your computer…what a lie!

sighhhh……which cycle of the brainwashing are you on now???

I suspected that Visalus has been “overwhelming” Google with their own propaganda…good to see that others are realizing this.  Too good to be true when you can’t find any unbiased responsed.  I was actually surprised to have made it here to this site!

no; you don’t even have to sell it to get your product for free. You buy your first month find 3 people who want to try it and then all you pay is shipping and handling. This company has been around for over 10 years and has strong backing by Blyth (multi million dollar company with a great reputation). the only people who have negative things to say are the ones who haven’t tried it and don’t really know anything about it.

It isn’t a pyramid scheme. You might sign up under someone but you can surpass them and promote yourself on how hard you work.

you poor fools,running down great product that has helped so many when you havn’t even tried it yourselves.Your huge loss.

Visalus uses its advertising dollars to pay their promoters rather than spending those dollars on TV or other National means.  Sounds pretty engenious and generous to me to give such an opportunity for those who may otherwise either not have employment or need to supplement their already low paying, unappreciated efforts in a ”JOB” – especially in these poor economic times.  And NO – I am not a Promoter, but I am using the product and so far I have nothing negative to say – one week in the challenge and already two inches and 3 pounds from the the “kool aid” as some of you call it.   Signed  “so sick of al the negativeity”

exactly!! I went from fat to fit in 6 months by exercising at home and eating right! all i had to buy was a simple multi vitamin and protein shake. I make 0 income as a stay at home wife and mom so I needed to think out of the box, no need to spend tons to get healthy… whole foods and your own body are the best way… these companies are for lazy people with money to throw away… 

so then its making you unhealthy?? ummm i dont want your product then…

never mind my comment i read wrong sorry

is it free to join?? i make $0 a week…

Visuals has changed so much since it was started almost six years ago. Visalus is great company and is changing the lives of ten of thousands of people. My wife has lost almost 50 lbs on the challenge and we are using it to promote a better alternative to fast food.

This is Old info. The new 90 day challenge has customers and promotors you can get your product for free and be qualified too. Whoever wrote this article is bias and needs to research more. I have thousands of people on my team manning money part time and thousands if customers that get there product odor free too…

Sure, it may have changed and there is an opportunity BUT only to the “select few” who they know will carry out bogus claims of “huge income”!  These people live in homes NOT owned by their own hard work but owned by people they know high up the pyramid!!  It is so they can make people see all the “things they have” and leave them to assume these people are really doing great as the Visalus company states you can…they lie, post FALSE pictures of before and after and so on.  When you catch on to the fact that the “regional director or Director” that is sporting all this fancy stuff and lifestyle then they do everything they can to put you OUT!!  That is what happened to me…..just sign…make them good money and I found out things they surely did not want me to know (false homeownership is just one example) and they thew me out on my own and will just go find the next to lie to and suck into their web!!  SO watch out if you live in the Grandville and Wyoming Michigan area!!  Just to name two towns…..

first, I just recently joined visalus to make some money. At first I came to this site to do research to see what people are saying about it, I couldnt find anything good. So I started asking around in melbourne fla if anyone was doing it. I came across a cop who was doing the challenge and who was being a distributor. we talked for hours, I was a skeptic. then I thought to myself what do I have to lose?. I weighed my options. They have a money back guarantee. so I tried it, because I thought if cops are doing it, it has to be legal. he is making a crap load of money and has a new bmw sitting in his driveway!!!
so I know for a fact it is not a scam!!! I have seen with my own eyes. The people who are putting this company down because you think this is a scam are wrong. you will make money if you are motivated!! if anyone wants to make extra money and get healtly on the side call me at 321-369-8617 my name is chris wallace. I would love to show you how. Remember this is NOT  a get rich skeme, you get back what you put into it! If you are lazy you will yield no results, if you like talking to people you can make 1000.00+ a month

call me I will tell you how to join
321-369-8617
chris wallace

What is a REAL job? Society tells us a REAL job is going to work for 10 hour days, sitting behind a desk, getting thrown under the bus from co-workers and or own supervisors because he/she doesn’t like us for whatever reason. The Owner of (Hotel A) has billions of dollars. He hires a Management company to run his hotel, who hires Directors, who hires Managers, who hires line salary employees who then hires line hourly staff. Try starting at $10 an hour, working all day, never seeing your kids or wife/husband cause your busy working trying to feed them, you blink your eyes and your 65, having putting in 40 years at Hotel A, getting a couple promotions along the way, now you make $17.25 an hour over 40 years. Now you retire, tired of working. Did you ever make what the owner has (millions) off of you working for him? NO!!!! That right there is what society says is a REAL job. Get Out Of Corporate America. That lifestyle is NO Lifestyle At All. Netwirk Marketing is not a scheme it is the same setup as corporate america just without the bulls**t hours and bulls**t minimum pay. My time is worth more than the $10 an hour you tell me I’m worth.

What is a REAL job? Society tells us a REAL job is going to work for 10 hour days, sitting behind a desk, getting thrown under the bus from co-workers and or own supervisors because he/she doesn’t like us for whatever reason. The Owner of (Hotel A) has billions of dollars. He hires a Management company to run his hotel, who hires Directors, who hires Managers, who hires line salary employees who then hires line hourly staff. Try starting at $10 an hour, working all day, never seeing your kids or wife/husband cause your busy working trying to feed them, you blink your eyes and your 65, having putting in 40 years at Hotel A, getting a couple promotions along the way, now you make $17.25 an hour over 40 years. Now you retire, tired of working. Did you ever make what the owner has (millions) off of you working for him? NO!!!! That right there is what society says is a REAL job. Get Out Of Corporate America. That lifestyle is NO Lifestyle At All. Netwirk Marketing is not a scheme it is the same setup as corporate america just without the bulls**t hours and bulls**t minimum pay. My time is worth more than the $10 an hour you tell me I’m worth.

This is what I call an ignorant article. The simple fact is a shake from Visalus cost $1.87 plus shipping and tax so about $2 after all is said and done. You replace a meal and the body gets more nutrients and fiber than a usual meal. If you are overweight you loose pounds in fat and if you are fit you gain muscle when working out. Because you replace a meal with the shake you most likely break even or even save money while you loose weight. It is a simple solution to a BIG problem in the world which is health problems due to weight gain. Where is the scam? Our team has 75 people who earned a BMW in less than 4 months. You can buy an old used one and still get the $600 a month and pocket the difference. This article is simply wrong and has no real research. I honestly think the idea behind this page is to get traffic and make money on ads, because it makes no sense at all. http://www.visalusnorthamerica.com get informed!

No most likely they would not loose weight if they drank 2 milkshakes from Mcdonalds when you look at the fat content and sugar content. Silly 

I believe it depends on the “Promotor” you speak with as some will be straight up honest and others who are REALLY good at being the salesperson that could sell you a swamp!  LOL…unfortunatly that happened to me.  BUT…as far as the product is concerned, they taste really good and are very satisfing with hundreds of recipes too.  You can return in the first 30 days if not happy…full refund.  YOU HAVE TO MAKE A LIFE CHANGE THOUGH….be ready to be healthy, have energy, loose weight if that is your goal or just like any time you “diet”, you gain when done and go back to unhealthy choices, period! Yes this can be achieved in multiple ways without Visalus products…this is just simply “one way to do it”!!    Now, as I said before, as a promotor….you will do really good as long as you can lie and unfortunatly I can not and have no desire to.  So I have some customers and will continue to help others WITHOUT all the BS my upline does (Grandville, Michigan) and they dropped me as soon as I let them know that I knew the game they were playing to people in order to get them to sign on for 500.00 plus!!  So, here is an example of what I spend vs what I get in checks.  I spend about 500.00 per month and with my customers I make about 80.00 back…Whoot Whoot  So, if you want to speak to the one who will give ya the straight honest route…let me know =)
http://www.freehealth.bodybyvi.com  And sure you can refer three friends to Visalus and if all three purchase a kit of equal value of yours then the FOLLOWING month you get the “equal” kit free….and as long as they stay on…yours is free..if one stops…you need to replace that 1 and so on.  BMW…big joke and so not worth the wasted words at this point!

Do you know anyone who was a distributor for PartyLite??  Blyth is the company behind them also….and Partylite was just as bad back in the day when you were a distributor…I watched a friend loose alot because they kept telling her that she had to spend money to make money and go to all the “meetings” whether out of state or not.  She had to buy extra product to meet their quota for her to remain a distributor…..very vicious circle!
So, “Cwtibr” the “only people who have negative…blah blah..” is so NOT true…cuz here I am =)  Just being honest and still promote…just in a different way…the honest way…to actually HELP people in the ONE of many different ways to be healthy and not screw with them in the meantime!

True, True!!  AND you can get even farther if your upline teaches you how to deceive people…I hope you don’t Cwtibr!!  I am really trying to believe there ARE people promoting like myself and really care about people =)

Hey now, play nice! LOL…I would absolutely (and do) inform anyone about the Visalus product as ONE of the tons of ways to get healthy whether it is to loose weight or build lean muscle or both….I wouldn’t encourage becoming a distributor at all…….

The truth about Visalus and all pyramid schemes (if it doesn’t have a product it is a ponzi scheme) They have a cheaply developed product that they sell (these guys who started it did a long distance company as a pyramid until it played out) for a large price (while conning people into beleiving it is some miraculous shake that they are not really pay much for) This cost is anywhere from $149 to $249 depending on what add on they convince you that you must have.  Then they say you can get it free if you get three of your family and friends to buy it, and they can do the same thing.  If some doesn’t buy for a month than you get charged for it.  You have to pay them $580-$1000 to sell their product (red lights should be flashing) You sign a contract that says you are not employed by them, you do not represent them, you pay your own taxes (that is 15% right off the bat for social security-medicare  have to pay both sides) If you get 3 people to sell for you and sell $12,500 a month you can go out a lease or buy a black BMW with their advertisement on it, that is if you have the credit and a JOB somewhere else theywill give you $600 amonth.  If you lose one of those three or don’t sell the $12,500 the lease is yours to pay for anyway you can.Yhey state that they have no reponsiblity for you or to you.  If someome sues you they do not help you.You have to buy so much no ifs or buts and you have buy or sell at least $200 a month to be a distributor.  When you sign up a new distributor  you get a finders fee and 5% of your new competition.  One thing Visalus is great about it is the Kool-Aid they mix up.  They want you for yoyr contections and when they are played out so are you. They make you think that you have to get your family involved  and it is alright to decieve, lie, and set your friends and families up using any dirty trick in the book. All that matters is making that sell and signing them up. When people start pulling away it all falls a part but Visalus has made it’s money. What is the most sad is they make the people believe that they are helping these people they are tricking.  It doesn’t matter if they can afford it or not, or they be taking away from their kids and getting into financial trouble. There is an old Peter, Mary and Paul songs that says” go ahead hate your neighbors, go ahead cheat a friend, do in the name of Jesus you can justify it in the end. But one day was judgement day……….

The difference maybe vacations, sick days, 401K, a job you can actually put down on a lease or purchase application.  A future and a company that will say that you are actually an employee and they take responsiblity fo you and for you. They pay employer portion of social security.  The most important it is a honest living you can keep your soul.

Yea right

Yea right Thousands?????

Yea right……

No it isn’t you have to pay $500 to $1000 and buy $200 a month.

No it isn’t you have to pay $500 to $1000 and buy $200 a month.

It still is apyramid scheme as all MLM (multple level marketing) companies are. 

There is a difference in being negative and facing facts. Simply use common sense.  Eat less real food and exercise and you will be healthy.

You are an idiot, posting about something you know nothing about.  “If there is no product?”  What the hell are you talking about?  It’s a supplemental SHAKE and other products geared towards weight loss.  Moron.

Yea I heard this from family members too. So easily brainwashed. I am so proud…………LOL They teach them to say that.

Is this all you can do?  Say “Yea right……” to everything other people post?  Get a life, loser.

 I will  play nice when they play nice and don’t scam people. You sound way to smart and honest to be tied up to this bunch

Sure you don’t sell it.

Yea Right!!

Yea Right!!

wrong it has been around for 6 years before that their scam was a long distance pyramid.

ok, the shake costs about 2 dollars per serving, but then you have to add what sellers try to steal out of your pockets….they claim you need to also buy the vitamins, the neuro, the mix in flavors and the appetitie supperesent….THAT IS WAY MORE THAN 2 dollars.  You ask where the scam is?  It’s in presenting a product as something more than it is not!  It’s a shake…there are many other shakes out there and they are all different.  Visalus loves to compare…that is rude.  What some people already enjoy works for them there is not need to change it.  The only reason visalus sellers make all these claims are because they WANT and NEED sales.  That is the hidden agenda.  This is not a normal “business”.  It does not take research beyond common sence to know that weight loss occurs when you restrict calories.  When you lose weight you feel better and have more energy and come off medications naturally.  It’s not rocket science…it’s propaganda.  Think about toothpaste for example.  We all use it to clean our teeth, and we do not all use the same brand.  But are we going to argue that our teeth are not clean, just because we use different toothpastes?  Come  on!!  If you are spending hundreds of dollars to lose weight…you can not claim to be saving money!!!  It costs nothing to not buy as much food to cut back on your calorie intake to lose weight!  It is FREE to lose weight, and instead of having to thank visalus, you can thank YOURSELF!!!!

I’ve been taking the product for only 11 days now and I am already down 10 lbs. I’m not a “fake” picture person at all but if you wanna see how the product is working or hear how it works, check out my facebook page and you can find my personal Visales webpage from there. It works! I promise you that!! I’m on facebook as tasha.gettin.fit

reread that first line slower. he’s explaining the difference between pyramid and ponzi schemes. this would be a pyramid because it has a product

No it’s only 49 to sell

Yea Right

IF there is no product it the scheme is called a ponzi scheme if there is a product involved in the multible level schem then it is called a pyramid scheme. Evidently I know more about it than you do. Very intelligent response. Uh uh I wonder who is the moron.

This is an intelligent person.

There is not much else you can say to these,rants. I am not mixed up in this scam so I am the winner

Not if you want the commisions and selling tools (?)

hey d0uchenozzle, where are you getting this $200 / month requirement ?  eat a bowl of dicks, fu(ktard

I was a Visalus distributor for awhile…first off, you don’t need Visalus to lose weight…losing weight is FREE, it’s all about calorie control.

As for their “Opportunity”, save your time and money. The amount of time you need to put in calling people, going to challenge parties and dealing with your downline is not worth it. Even at the Ambassador level, 10K a month, with all the time you put in to maintain that rank (keep getting residual pay), it comes up to about $16 an hour…no vacation, no sick days, no pension plan, no security. You don’t own your own business: you have no control over the product, over the compensation, over the future of Visalus…you’re not an entrepreneur, you’re a sales associate.

Again, if you want to lose weight, save your money and start counting your calories.  If you want an opportunity, get a real job, where you’ll be well compensated, have a pension plan, job security and plenty of advancement.

Bottom line: save your money, save your time. It’s much better spent with your family than giving it to Visalus.

Watch it you are showing your intelligence. I got it right off their compensation plan. Go check it.

Who ever wrote this article/blog/opinion is a MORON!!!  For the record, I’m not in Visalus.  You say Go get a job!  Sure, go get a job, tell your spouse to get a job, your kids to get a job and don’t forget about the dog, Fitto, it should get a job too.  Fact is EVERYTHING in the world is a MLM you moron.  Your job is a MLM and how is that working for you?  If being an EMPLOYEE and having a JOB was such a good thing then why aren’t the business owner doing that too?  Hmmmm, I wonder.  Maybe its because EMPLOYEES ARE BROKE AND WILL ALWAYS BE BROKE!!!

BTW – Izzy quit while you are ahead.  No one will listen to broke employee minded people.

Thanks Izzy!!  Yeah, I too would like to see them stop being dishonest…sure should have waited to sign on until I was more informed…my family uses the product and have positive results but I am no fool to think this is THE ONLY WAY …Lol.  I realized all the lies and all the things they do not tell you…and they are really good at talking so fast and in circles…you walk out and be like “what the hell just happened”…so even though I seriously disagree with their pactices…too late for me.  And as long as it is helping my youngest get healthier, I will continue…just will NOT lie and cheat people or sell them stuff they do not need!  These people in Grandville Michigan even stay in a home at about 5000 sq ft (because they lost there own home to foreclosure) and tell people they too could own a home like this really fast….uuggg PUKE!!  I am very sadden and truthfully hurt…thought they wouldn’t be the kind of people to do this…but I take responsibility for my (not so smart) decision.  Izzy, do you know someone in it too?

This positive building to which you are referring is just their way of retaining you as a distributor/customer (some people call it brainwashing, or drinking the Kool-Aid)…I have no complaints about Visalus, I just want people to know the truth instead of what they hear from a Visalus distributor (BTW, I was a distributor for awhile…) And I certainly have no complaints about my life: great full-time job with the federal government, pension, benefits, vacation, sick leave, tons of advancement…I spend so much more time with my family, something I couldn’t do as a Visalus distributor because when you reach a certain level with them, and you want to retain that level, you have to attend challenge party after challenge party, travel to this event here and that event there, constantly talking with downline trying to get them to sell and retain them as distributors, retaining customers, team calls, back office work, etc…with my current employment, work stays at work. With Visalus, you really do live the “Vi Life”, as they like to call it, because you are trying to recruit and sell almost all the time, to every person you meet.

I will presume that you are at the Regional Director level (qualified for your $600 payment for BWM, not FREE as you say). If this is the type of work you like, then Kudos, my friend. But do not try to decieve others by giving them the “success story” crap, especially to your friends and family. You’ll soon be part of the NFL club (No Friends Left).

Hahaha…yup, you got IT just like me, and I am not the type to poke fun at or laugh but if your going to “debate”…BE HONEST!  Sure, you can for 49.00 BUT they told me NOT to recommend this to anyone and no BMW qualifications and you get less in commissions.  OH YEAH…Don’t forget the 29.00 a month for the “better” internet site…they got me there too….didn’t tell me and it was taken out of my checking acct…with three kids…that hurt and could really hurt others!!  They also wanted me to sign people up and NOT tell them if they pick, let’s just say the 5th of every month for autp-ship….and they signed up on the 3rd at 500.00…you get charged for your first auto-ship two days later when you do not need it because your sign up includes product…they didn’t tell me…I found it myself and stopped it!!

“izzy straddli…”  with that language…you MUST be a Promotor?!?  “Izzy” your correct…coming from the HONEST (yet sucked in Lol) Promotor!  At least that is what I was taught from my scamming upline.

you are just mad you are not making money and that you are ignorant

Before you put your name or a dollar value in front of a product it is your responsibility to research said product for authenticity and nutritional content and long term effects on the body.

 From the health perspective alone not dwelling on the misleading advertising and obvious 1970s high pressure sales tactics, the scale of fair play tips to a definite NO WAY on this one.

  Check the ingredient of the shake read 4 times as much as you talk then make a decision based on what you read not hear from the mouth of a salesman wanting your money.

As a nutritionist if you have the sense to look at the ingredients it’s filled with almost everything your body needs. The product does work people are the ones who don’t. If you are supplementing it to lose weight and exercising and watching what you eat you will lose weight. If not you will not lose weight so learn how the body works and how food is metabolized and come back and sensibly talk.

What is it you do? You comments are unfounded and your logic is faulty. Your rhetoric is comical. Continually stating the same thing over and over and over again. If you are so unhappy with the company stop talking about them. No one asked you to shout blasphemy from a website. It’s people like you that make this world a bad place to live and you should be ashamed of yourself. So go ahead I can already guess your response blah blah blah blah visalus sucks.

I can’t even read all the way through this ridiculous ”scam” review.

The only way you can fail at Visalus is if you are a lazy fool. 

The product works, so everyone who sees you should be seeing a walking testimonial.The compensation is so simple. I personally know atleast a dozen people who have gotten their BMWs and I’m not that far from getting my own! 

It’s sad that anyone at all can go online and run their mouth blaming others for their own failures. Do the work and see the profit like the rest of us!

Izzy, it is painfully clear you have never even tried a) the product b) selling it. I personally paid a ONE TIME $50 to make profit off of the people who see the product works and want to buy it too. I get my product for free EVERY month because I have done the foot work to have more than just the bare minimum of 3 people who buy through me every month. 

You should be ashamed of your self for spewing such foolishness about something you know nothing about. There are alot of multi level companies who screw hardworking people everyday but Visalus couldn’t be easier. Use the product as directed, see results, share with others, make a profit.

Even if you don’t want to SELL the product it is still one of the cheapest and most effective health/weightloss products available.

It’s a win win situation … unless you are a looser to start with

My name is way more valuable than a high high mantinance BMW, I have a friend who does this….he buged the crap out of me…kinda like green eggs and ham story except ….i drank the shake twice a day….starved myself to death….I could have at whole grain cereal twice a day and been better off. IT IS A SCAM, dont do it. my new rule “if you ask me to join a multi level anything you are probably gonna get ignored from here on out.” The honest job requires a learned skill. I have already seen the guy who asked me to join, lose his toys once cause the company he was with before went down the crap shute. Want lots of money? offer a service better than anyone else can. get good at it. and you will be a high demand honest working person..

There is no denying that MLM’s and visalus can make people a lot of money. The system itself is set up for failure. Infinite sales people selling infinite product no matter how good or cheap the product it only has partial market penetration. As soon as the the balloon pops the good networkers jump ship to the next company. Help 3 people help 6 people succeed on the backs of the hundreds that fail and you will be worshiped in a cult like setting where everyone goes into a frenzy while you show off your new tux. 

  “The only way you can fail at Visalus is if you are a lazy fool.”

A fool I may be, thinking I can stop anyone from making a mistake from this post.

But in response to Lazy, I own a strong flourishing business and need nothing from this company. It is funny that you defend a Company that has the integrity of a goat They care less about anyone but themselves. The product has not and will never hold up the claims they have puppets like yourself making. You see that’s the beauty of it they are saying nothing you are. They just dangle the carrot or 3 series BMW depending on who they are trying to motivate and you spout of all kinds of untruths in order to close you next deal. I would proudly wear the hat of a Lazy Fool as to walk in the shoes of a greedy liar.

On a side note: Why is a BMW 6 series on the website and a 3 series what the best puppets drive?

Dear Free Thinker, I wish you would have paid for a little of that knowledge you share it may have had a positive impact on your life. Please think more and when yoy fell something needs to be said think more.

You have drunk the kool-aid. No I have never talen the product (too much common sense) but members of my family have. They were running around looking for something to throw into their shakes because they got so hungry and weak from not eating. After spending over a thousand dollars they had not lost a pound. Other members did pretty good at it after lying about how much weight they had lost and being very pushy and conniving until it all fell apart.  They thought they had earned a BMW until they went to pick out and found out that they had to lease it their self and to get lease they had to have one of those bad old jobs. Another member tried to just sell enough ( after paying her $50 for the priviledge) to get hers free, but couldn’t seem to keep three coustomer after a while.  I am just saying use your common sense do your research and then decide with a clear head.

I do make money at a real job which I went to college to prepare for.

Yes, This stuff has caused a great riff in my family. The ones trying to sell it being so pushy and conniving by using other family members and then getting mad at the ones who did not want to get involved. It left a bad situation not one we can not get through but one that hurts and we all will not forget.

You are so right in everything you said. 

If I am so wrong why do you get so upset, No one asked anyone to express their opinions. The people selling this stuff do not want to face reality and want people to stop telling the truth.

Slimfast is more advanced at least with Slimfast you don’t have to have the milk, blender, and add ins

This is the level of class and intelligence it takes to sell this stuff.

It is like seeing someone drive off a cliff and not being able to stop them. You keep yelling the alarm (I keep repeating the facts) but no one hears……..

Wow-What a bunch of negative thinkers!!  I am not in Visalus, but I have been in several network marketing companies and:  If they sell a product,( in most cases), it is not illegal or a scam.  What you have to watch out for are “misleading” claims about what the product could do for you.  Most NWM companies have very good Compliance Departments which monitor the distributor field for misrepresentation, and, if found, they could be terminated.  From what I have heard/read about Visalus, it is a “straight-up” company.  Most of the people who criricize such companies do so without having proper information or:  They had a relative/friend who lost money in a similar program(probably because they did not WORK), so they blanket them all in the same category.  The biggest problem that I have seen is that the “sponsors” try to make it look too easy to make money, and people believe them.  If you treat your NWM business like a real business you should be successful.

Damn man! You might as well join Visalus as much publicity you are giving them! You could be making some money right now! I’m not even with Visalus YET but it MUST be something GREAT if one person would put this much effort into negative portrayal of it! Thank You for swaying my decision into getting started :) lol. I was taught a long time ago to never knock something you’ve never tried if it won’t hurt you. Also with almost everything you get out what you put in. Except for in your job where you can do the bare minimum and still make the same as the person over achieving for that promotion they may never get because their boss decides and NOT them!

Also…it is really disturbing that just anyone can sell a “diet product” and talk like they are experts on health and nutrition.  It is really rediculous that people fall for this all.  I know many people who sell this and I see behind the scenes.  They all lie and come up with plans to trick people.  Selling this is only about money and it is sad.  I have worked in the health & fitness industry and it saddens me when the diet idustry is targetted. 

Most people know losing weight is simply about calorie reduction.  By drinking a 200 calorie meal instead of eating a 1000 calorie meal, one will lose weight.  All the vitamins we need are in food.  It is going to be sad when the hype is over, or people decide to eat again.  The weight is going to pack on fast.

Another inside scoop about sellers and how much it costs to sell.  First you are encouraged to buy into the company for 500.00, then you have to pay a monthly fee to have your website, then maintain your quota buy purchasing more product if you don’t have enough buyers.  Before you can even think of making a real profit, you have to first make back all the money you are spending.  That usually does not happen for the majority of sellers because they are at the bottom of the pyramid.  Also the sellers have to pay taxes on the money they make.  So according to the majority of sellers bragging how rich they are getting…maybe they should not be so loud about it…the IRS is watching and listening!

Remember…if you are approached to sell, you are only going to help the people above you…unless you can get just as many people under you.  And if everyone is selling, then where will the buyers come from?  This is how these pyramid companies always end.  It gets boring, and saturated.  The owners will always be rich and move on to the next scheme.  The sellers have no protection.

I have seen so many friendships ruined over this.  Sellers have to make lists of all their friends and family to contact.  You will be on the list even if it has been 10 years since you have talked.  When they contact you they will talk to you like you are their best friend.  Say “no” and they ditch you.

All sellers are given scripts to use, words to use.  It is like brainwashing.  It’s also a red flag that they find the need to ruin online meeting places like Facebook to sell.  I don’t try to get people to use my brand of shampoo, or toothpaste every other posts.  These sellers are desperate and lose their sence of character the longer they are members of the cult.  So Sad :( 

I know I am repeating from another time I posted in this forum BUT Visalus must not have the “Compliance Department” in the  Grandville/Wyoming Michigan area….which is surprising concidering the “founders” are from there…and I can say that, not because I just feel like coming here to bad mouth a company, but from personal experience!!  The “First Female BBV Champion” held a “challenge” Party and I went…..long story shorter….the product is just ONE of HUNDREDS of ways to get fit PERIOD!!  They lied about their home ownership, as they lost their actual home just this year, they talk of using photos that show wonderful things but they leave out the elective surgeries, the BMW is a JOKE, they do not disclose alot of the FACTS….and when I figured out all the lies they actually told me (because I was dumb and didn’t research enough FIRST!)  they threw me right under the bus……..they are like this nasty little CULT!!  I really feel sorry for the kids of these deceiving adults.
Can you make money?  Sure can…Just this last month I spent around 500.00 on product and 180.00 on promoting tools and my “pay” check added up to 176.00…YES!!!            HaHa  I will take care of the customers I have and always be honest and will not EVER use a lie to further myself, that is why this and other forums are out there…they KNOW people that have LOST alot…finacially and family/friends!!  So I am very glad this forum is here….people need and deserve to know the truth….don’t always believe what you see….they play on people who have been out of work or work a lot of hours and ect.  So, bottom line….be carefull in Michigan…and I am sure this is not the only area doing some scamming…stay clear of the Taggart’s!!!

“YET but it MUST be something GREAT if one person would put this much effort into negative portrayal of it!”

Jay, if people didn’t truly care, they wouldn’t share.  Plenty of the responders here have either first hand knowledge of this ‘business’ and are sharing their personal experience or know a friend/family member who has (and have been suckered).

If you want to go jump off a cliff, that is your business!  But if someone wants to prevent someone from making a terrible mistake by sharing their experience, then kudos to them.

I have seen a family member ruined by this and now a coworker, who is as brainwashed as anyone mentioned here.  It really is very CULT like behavior that Visalus employs.  Very sad for those who are dumb enough to fall for it….feel free, Jay.

You are so right.  They use their family and friends,trying to trick them into coming to challenges as so on.  If you say no they want to kick you out of the family, weird it as if they are taken over by something.

blashemy, you are kidding right? I was simply quoting a old protest song. It went over your head but it means when people are doing wrong and they know it they try to justify it by saying it is for religion or more familar to you “I am helping people get healthy”.

Why do you even fool with these people?  There is so many better and cheaoer products out there. Just wondering. I know you will probably be quitting but why not cut your losses now?

Everybody is just starting or they don’t sell it. Ever wonder why. Don’t drink to much of the kool-aid or you will become a zoombie too. That is the decision you made after reading this site. WOW!

I did sign up and spent the $49. Honestly the protein shake I normally buy from the local nutrition store costs $60 a month so why not take a break from that one and try this for a couple months. I am not going to spend any more than $49 a month on it and if it works out great, if not I will quit. I think it might be worth looking into but I would not ever lease the BMW. If they want to give me $600 a month then I will take it but leasing a car myself because they told me to? That’s stupid…. I am not going to buy the vitamins, I prefer my normal ones. I am also not going to buy the shake add-ins, I made a shake today and just dumped in some frozen blueberries I already had. But if it doesn’t pay for itself after 3 months I quit and move on. Side benefits of course would be a paycheck and weight loss but I am not quitting my Weight Watchers while I do it because THAT is something I really believe in.

That is so smart Weigh Watcher are really great I know scads of people who lost weigh and kept it off with Weight Watchers, they teach how to eat regular food in the correct portions.  Watch this company I know several people that got caught with automatic ship and it ended up costing them more than they realized. Good Luck

Thanks! I don’t know how long I will do this shake anyway because it’s made with sucralose which I have recently found gives me headaches, my usual shake has stevia instead. 

I just want people to know the truth instead of what they hear from a Visalus distributor.  I certainly have no complaints about my life: great full-time job with the federal government, pension, benefits, vacation, sick leave, tons of advancement, job security…I spend so much more time with my family, something I couldn’t do as a Visalus distributor because when you reach a certain level with them, and you want to retain that level, you have to attend challenge party after challenge party, travel to this event here and that event there, constantly talking with downline trying to get them to sell and retain them as distributors, retaining customers, team calls, back office work, etc…with my current employment, work stays at work. With Visalus, you really do live the “Vi Life”, as they like to call it, because you are trying to recruit and sell almost all the time, to every person you meet.
The amount of time you need to put in calling people, going to challenge parties, dealing with your downline, back office work, team calls and attending events is so not worth it. …their online “training” is a freakin joke…Even at the Ambassador level, 10K a month, with all the time you put in to maintain that rank (keep getting residual pay), it comes up to about $16 an hour…no vacation, no sick days, no benefits, no pension plan, no security.

You don’t own your own business: you have no control over the product, over the compensation, over events, over the future of Visalus, even over your downline…you’re not an entrepreneur, you’re a sales associate. Every distributor you sign up is now your direct competition.

Bottom line: save your money, save your time. It’s much better spent with your family than giving it to Visalus.

Visalus prefers to be called MLM instead of pyramid…which is like saying callgirl instead of whore.

Look for my posts under “Ex-visalus Distributor” for the truth about this cult…I mean pyramid…I MEAN MLM…

you CAN NOT returned opened product!

that does not mean it is still not a pyramid!! lol. If there are people at the top getting rich, and people at the bottom who are NOT, then it IS a pyramid. Go to school and get a real job.

ummmmmmm, SO, they KEEP 300 bucks just because you refuse to be a sheep and drive a black BMW……..sounds fair. SHEEP……..baaaaaabaaaaa.
Who did they give the bonuses to????? I bet it was NOT the people at the bottom of the pyramid…
I AM NOT SAYING that the product is no good, just the COMPANY and their screwed up way of selling it! If it is sooooo wonderful, why don’t they sell it in stores, so EVERYONE has access? I have yet to receive an answer to this question, form anyone.

OMG, could not have said it better myself. I am hardly speaking to my best friend anymore, all bc of this company and her non ability to see this for what it really is, a BIG FAT SCAM. When I see the product available in STORES, without having to push it on other people, maybe THEN I will feel differently. But by that point, this person will have no friends left except her “Visalus” friends, who (no offense) all seem like a bunch of cult crazy freaking morons.

“Dream big” Exactly, it is a dream for 99% of the people

http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/MLM.php   I took the time, and YES I have tried the product. I think most people have a problem with how it is being advertised/sold, not a problem with the product. Eventually, your market WILL dry up, then maybe you can go to school and get a real job. A respectable job, where you don’t HARASS people for a living!

these people’s user names are even centered around visalus. Get a life that involves at least 2 things……..lol

You are so right about these people.  They do not realize how zombie like they sound with their memorized spills.  What happened to common sense.  So SAD……

Be sure you understand that it cost $49 to be able to sell enough product to get yours free (have to sell same kit you are getting) To be a distributor you have sign up for automatic ship for $125 and sell enough to make a $200. If you want to get a commission and a chance at the BMW you have to pay $500+ or $1000. The commisson varies as to how much you sell and how many you have signed up under you to sell. Look at other entries to see how you earn the BMW  Be very careful.

Everyone but the stores are selling this stuff. It is sold on Amazon. Why would you need to buy frpm a distributor? Since everyone who takes it is selling it, who do they sell to. All cheifs and no indians.

This sounds like the brainwashing lets party and get drunk (alcahol is so healthy and they live such a healthy life style) meeting that some of my family went to. Gave away BIG fake checks. I agree anyone who is selling this needs to make new friends because you are not going to have many of your old friends left. No one every said that a few don’t make money but most don’t.  The market is to saturated. They put on a fine show for the gullible. All that glitters is not gold.

I agree. Like the way you think. You have not drank the kool-aid and think clear.

They teach them to say that.

LOL! How much Kool-Aid did you drink in Orlando? It’s already too late for you…you sound like you’ve already fell for it…have fun calling everyone you know and inviting them to your “challenge parties”…

ok, I came across this blog because I was trying to see if other people have had the same issues as myself with visalus. I signed up with a friend who pushed this stuff like it was crack, she had me signed up before I could even think about it, all the while trying to convince me it would be the best thing I ever did, I was hesitant the whole time but when I told her to stop, I didnt want to use my credit card, she plugged hers in and sent it away, so now I am apparently a distributor. A few days after this we have a serious family crisis that saw my household income cut in half, I called this long time friend and told her this needed to be cancelled due to the situation at hand. As a distributor she was not able to help me in any way to get out of it, she could sign me up just fine, but no way she could sign me out. I spent the next 4 days sitting on hold hours at time, since I needed a return code to return the unopened box of product. I kept getting an operator then the would transfer me then hold again. On the 5th day I finally got a human being ( I should mention I also emailed and never got a response). I apparently cancelled my account, so I thought. I returned the box via UPS. So now I wait for my refund right ? Wrong !!! They are now charging my credit card (which apparently got added to my account by my friend). So now I am back to sitting on hold and hoping I will get this much needed money back. I have read several other complaints of this nature, of visalus taking hundreds from peoples credit cards every month, I am a single mother, who has just lost my husband and now I have to fight for this money !! I followed all the procedures, this has nothing to do with being lazy ect. The fact is once you are in you are in and you are as good as screwed !!! DO NOT SIGN UP, THIS IS A SCAM !!!!!!!!!!

You do not “get” a BMW, your co. leases one for you.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

You loose fat by burning more calories than you take in.
You gain muscle by working our with or without your product.
Earned a BMW?  It’s leased and therefore not a tangible asset.

I am so sorry this happened to you. It sounds like you are a nice person and where taken advantage of.  I hope that you get all your money back but I know of several instances that the money was never returned. This kind of friend you don’t need. I would never take advantage of my friends, family or anybody the way these people due.  This is a great blog and one of the few honest one.  The guy who set it up is a genius.  Wish you the best of luck and will remeber you in my prayers.  It seems like single women are a target of a lot of scams.

How?  If your skill will with spoken English is a poor as your written you need more than a shake to help out.

If it is such a great weight lost tool and has everything your body needs why then do they want to sell you an appetite suppressent and vitamin packs, and even add ons to make your shakes better and even something that is suppose to give you brain power.  I wouldn’t over look that last one because if you get invoved with this scam….you need it.

no you have to lease it yourself and they will give you $600 a month to pay for the lease if you recruit and sell enough every month don’t sell enough than the lease payment still comes due and it is you name on the lease and you don’t have the money oops!!!!!

They teach them this fairy tale of everythings is a MLM you don’t need a job.  Come back to the real world. Having a job is a wonderful thing. If I have a job I got vacations, holidays, 401 K, pay check I can count on, health insurance, and the ability to buy a house, car, etc.  YES having a job is GOOD…………….. And I don’t have to be broke waiting to con somebody into buying some worthless shake.

It’s not being negative…I would never recommend this to an unemployed person (or really anyone for that matter), because first, they would have to shell out some serious cash to sign up and to maintain their monthly membership, and second, if you really want to cold call people (mostly friends and family) to try to get them to buy Visalus products (or sign them up as a distributor), you might as well get a job doing telemarketing and getting regular paycheques. Trust me, even at the ambassador level, where claiming you make 10K/month is a regular saying, you really only make about 10 to 16 bucks an hour when you account for all the time and money you invest getting to and maintaining that level.

Bottom line: save your TIME and MONEY, it’s much better spent with your family and friends than giving it to Visalus.

I would never recommend this to an unemployed person (or really anyone for that matter), because first, they would have to shell out some serious cash to sign up and to maintain their monthly membership, and second, if you really want to cold call people (mostly friends and family) to try to get them to buy Visalus products (or sign them up as a distributor), you might as well get a job doing telemarketing and getting regular paycheques. Trust me, even at the ambassador level, where claiming you make 10K/month is a regular saying, you really only make about 10 to 16 bucks an hour when you account for all the time and money you invest getting to and maintaining that level.

Bottom line: save your TIME and MONEY, it’s much better spent with your family and friends than giving it to Visalus.

First I would like to say that I have lost 20 lbs in 26 days of trying the Visalus product. 

I have not cheated but taken all of the products as instructed and then I also eat one low fat meal a day. 

To say the Company is a scam or the product does not work because of some INDEPENDENT REP’S that are saying things that are untrue or being rude or pushy, is like saying the Gas from Exxon is bad, or you can’t make money by owning an Exxon Station, just because you go to an Exxon Gas station and someone that worked there was rude or did not do what they were suppose to do or maybe they lied to you.

As far as this being a “Pyramid Scheme” I think everyone should check out this video whether you are in an MLM or not: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiw15VgWoI

By the way I have a great job and I do not need to make money by selling anything but the product is not a scam.

Just my $.02

Daniel

I just started with Visalus and I am actually a Realtor so I didn’t want to sell anything more.  I was using the shakes personally and I have hoards of friends who wanted to buy it.  So I signed up.  In 10 days I have over 5,000 in sales.  The products are the best I’ve ever had.  Ive experience no sort of scam.

What is finding three people who want to try it called? Sorry I would call it selling.

First if you have lost 20lbs in 26 days you need to get to doctor you may be sick. Second I am glad that you don’t need money because they are gong to take as much as they can get, but you have drank he kool-aid and are now a zommie.  Have you noticed that everyone who raves about this stuff just started. I can tell you drank alot of kool-aid because you are delusional. You compared Visalus to Exxon. I had a family member that compared Visalus to MicroSoft. What world do you live in where a MLM company is compared to Legit Retail businesses?

First if you have lost 20lbs in 26 days you need to get to doctor you may be sick. Second I am glad that you don’t need money because they are gong to take as much as they can get, but you have drank he kool-aid and are now a zommie.  Have you noticed that everyone who raves about this stuff just started. I can tell you drank alot of kool-aid because you are delusional. You compared Visalus to Exxon. I had a family member that compared Visalus to MicroSoft. What world do you live in where a MLM company is compared to Legit Retail businesses?

Come back in a few months and tell us how much you are spending veruse howmuch you are making. Everyone usually starts with a bang unless the area they are in is already saturated. Give it time the scam is coming

Wow Fields. It is amazing that you and many people on this blog are so angry and spewing venom about this Company as if you have an agenda.

You said I was probably sick because I had lost 20 lbs in 26 days, you said I was a Zombie, I had drank the kook-aid, etc…

All I did was tell my experience with the product and then you attack me. That shows the intelligence level.

And If you go back and read my post I am not saying Visalus is comparable to Exxon, I was just stating that to blame a Company for the actions of some that may represent or work for a Company is preposterous. Also to say the product does not work because of how some people, that are Independant Reps, act or what they say is also unfair.

I just want people to hear both sides of the story however I am sorry if you or anyone else had a bad experience.

Thanks,
Daniel

If you look at the contract you signed. You are not employed by this company, you do not represent them, you pay your on taxes, they say they do not ask you to sell for them and do not ask you to get others to sell for them. They hold no responsibility to you or for you. If you have to get a lawyer they do not pay anything on it. You have to pay them to sell for them and you have to buy a certain amount.  That is not a reprensentative that is a victm.  I would read all the blogs below. Yes I do have an agenda with these people because they scammed my family. Although I would have an agenda aagainst anyone who scams others especially the ones who can not affford it and who are desperate.

I am sorry I did not mean to attack you. It is these MLM that I am attacking. They are good at sucking people in. It takes life lessons to recognizes these things for what they are.  Just be careful double check what they are charging you etc.  Good Luck. I hope you come out OK from it.  But they teach you to use legetimate companys (no matter how far fetched) to compare to call everyone who says the truth ignorant, uninformed, negative, & dream killers etc.  I know Just use your common sense.

I guess he drank the kool aid too-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlE1HitsAeA
The must have drank the kool aid-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-BPdsO8qfw&feature=related
And him-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBmrM-nZvWg&feature=related
And them-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHu2Wc3f5bs

-It just comes down to honesty:
*Can you make money? Yes
*Does the product work? Yes, but there are other ways to lose weight.
Can you just use the product and not promote the business? yes, and if anyone tells you otherwise they are lying.
Pyramid scheme? You mean like Egypt. Bad joke, I know. I think commenter Daniel’s video says it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiw15VgWoI
Friends and Family? For the people who constantly get bothered after saying no, I apologize for those people who haven’t been taught  how to market their business outside their warm market.
Can you get rich? Yes, but only 5-10% of the people in most companies gets that far. 
BMW? Yes, it can be leased or brought. The good thing is I haven’t come across anyone who had to return it. No articles or anything online! You have to be smart with your money. If you can afford the payment without the $600 then great if not, it wouldn’t be a smart idea to get it.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to research, research, research and from credible sources.
Does meal replacement work? yes: http://www.menshealth.com/weight-loss/weight-loss-meal-replacement-drinks
Does direct selling and network marketing (MLM) work? Yes
Bill Clinton endoreses it:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_eGbfTPbGY
Robert Kiyosaki: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0jabc3OBpc&feature=related

At the end of the day people, you have to do diligent research, and not listen to what’s being told to you. Research from credible sources, not just someone who is bashing the network marketing (mlm) business. 

Yes, I am in visalus. I have drank the kool-aid. The flavor is tropical punch, and it’s o so good!! If you have a job, you have drank the kool-aid too. We are children of the kool-aid man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iE4uEsaBF0

If anyone wants anymore of their questions about this answered honestly, please call me. 646-397-5l72, my name is Dave.

To your success

Opps, I connected the youtube clips in the beginning. I type to fast, sorry (I really don’t). Remove the too, aid, him and them in the first for youtube clips. Must have kool-aid!!!!

Is meal replacement impossible to keep up? Yes
Do you gain the weight back when you go off it. Yes
If this shake was any good would they try to sell you so many other things, like vitamins, appitiate suppressments, add ins? NO
If MLM where such a great business would you have to recruit your competition? NO
Would this shake be so expensive it was sold another way? no
Are you considered an employee of this business or even a representive? no
Do they take any responsiblity to you? No
Do you have to pay all your own taxes including both sides of your social security and medicare? no
If you have a job and they reward you with a pay check, vacation, bonuses, medical insurance,sick days, 401K,chance for promotions and in return they take responsibility to you as a employee. This done as a reward for you doing a job that you have been trained for.  This is not kool-aid. This one of the fairy tales they like to tell you
Can you go and get a lease or loan for that BMW by saying you are employed by Visalus?  NO No

Sorry I typed wrong They do not pay any of your taxes.

I’ve got an idea to loose weight and get a free BMW…

Watch your food intake and calories; eat less crap food.  Burn more calories than you take in.  By doing so, you will be healthier and more fit.   Very simple formula to looking great and loosing weight.  Now, use the money you save and go buy a 1-2 year old BMW.

If you’re looking for a good “opportunity”, Visalus is good, but there are many other MLMs outside the nutrition industry with huge market demand and unique products.  

I had to put my two cents in… my ex husband is involved with this “business”… he has definitely drunk the kool-aid.  Yes, they might have a good product, yadda, yadda, and he comes off as a successful person, driving his BMW and posting videos on how to succeed on youtube.  But what the lemmings don’t know is that he has been going to the court for the past year claiming he’s broke and needs his child support payments reduced, his daddy had to co-sign for the used BMW he leased because his credit is bad and he’s been behind on payments 6 times out of the last year, he spends absolutely no time with his children… when they are with him he is on the phone or out at challenge parties leaving them home alone, or he is blowing off his visitation weekends all together because he has to rush to Houston or Detroit for “work”.  He is pushing to the Ambassador level and everyone within his little circle thinks he is the Bomb – they don’t realize he is trapped (got fired from his full time job because he neglected it for this MLM and can’t get hired anywhere for the same money) and is literally running from bill collectors.  Meanwhile the kids are in therapy because they think daddy doesn’t love them and they have bonded more with their step father then they ever did with their father.  I’ve seen first hand what a wonderful company this is and how it’s associates will lie and cheat to get more victims signed up under them.  I’d rather keep my boring 9-5 job with it’s benefits and retirement package,  vacation and yearly bonuses, and be able to forget about work during the evenings and on the weekends, then “be my own boss” with this stuff. 

I have a question for you Kim, if the product is sooooo wonderful, why do it’s distributor have to continue to go on a new 90 day challenge every 6 months?  Seems they just can’t keep the weight off.  Do they not teach you how to eat right and maintain a healthy lifestyle after you drop the initial weight? 

So how do you keep the weight off?  Do they teach you to eat right and live a healthy lifestyle or do they just push another 90 day challenge?  As for “earning” that BMW… funny, my ex had to get his daddy to co-sign the lease for him because Visalus has nothing to do with you qualifying with BMW to get that lease, they will only pay you $600 a month towards the payment as long as you maintain your level.  If you don’t, that expensive car lease is yours to figure out how to pay for. 

What happens if you get sick, have a heart attack and need surgery… how do you pay for that?  My health insurance paid by my job, the one I sit behind a desk for, took care of my hospital expensive in that situation, and my job continued to pay my salary.  As for lifestyle… I get to go home at night and weekends and forget about work – do you?

You have their number alright.

I just had lunch with a friend who disguised the Visalus pitch into my birthday lunch! What tact! She absolutley ranted and raved about this crap. Mind you, this is an older lady who doesn’t work and is looking to keep busy and make a little money. However, she is telling me that her husband has not stopped taking his blood pressure medicine ( thanks to the miracle of this crap ), and has stopped taking medication for his PAD ( Peripheral Artery Disease ) again, ( thanks to this crap ). What do I tell this poor woman who has been so blinded by the bullshit that she can’t see straight? Then she throws in the Bimmer Bling! I have owned a BMW. I am not impressed. They are crap cars that cost a hell of a lot of money to repair. I swear, I don’t understand why when people pitch this nonsense, they are actually people who say ” Wow! A great way to make money with no effort”! Everything worth anything costs something. There is no” get rich quick” formula ( except the lottery ). I just want to slap some people and say wake up! Welcome to the real world baby! Here we don’t get sleep, we have ulcers and crappy bosses but at least all of it is REAL!!! 

“misleading claims”… how about these products will cure diabetes and high blood pressure?  Heart disease?  Don’t worry about it, Visalus can fix it.  I heard this and tons of other “claims” by Visalus distributors (my ex is in it and we have mutual friends that have tried to pull me on board).  How about the before and after photos and the claims of giant amounts of weight lost?  Hmmmmm, well my ex was 260lbs when we split.  He lost some weight initially on the shake, but has been doing this business for a year and a half now and looks even bigger then he did when we split.  But he claims he was over 300lbs to begin with and lost 75lbs on the 90 day challenge.  No one knows him from back then so why would they question him when he says this amazing fact at a challenge party?  Sometimes it’s not really the product you have to watch out for, but the distributors themselves.  Lying, cheating scam artists who are only interested in recruiting the next victim.  There is no scientific data saying that Visalus is any better then anything you can get at GNC, but the distributors will cry and tell you how they stopped taking their blood pressure medication because of this wonder product. 

Lazy fool… well my ex works this garbage 24/7 and ignores his kids, he’s one step away from Ambassador… but for some reason he claims he’s broke to the court and needs a reduction in his child support payments.  “walking testimonial”… LOL  same man has been doing this for a year and a half and looks bigger now then when I split with him when he was 260lbs.  The BMW – ahhhh, what a lovely thing, a FREE BMW!!  Oh wait, did they tell you that you have to qualify with BMW for the lease, Visalus does not guarantee you will get one?  They will only pay you $600 a month (considered a “bonus”) to put towards payments and if you don’t maintain your level no more money… but you still have an expensive car lease payment to make.  The ex had to get his daddy to co-sign for the lease, on a used BMW, because his credit was so bad, and he’s been behind on payments 6 times in the last year even though he got the “bonus” each month… he had to use that “bonus” to pay other bills since most of his other “income” from the company was eaten up in travel and other “business” expenses. 

Come back a year from now and tell us how wonderfully you are doing, how simple and laid back your life is, how much free time you have because of this wonderful opportunity. 

Broke Employees?  I make quite a good paycheck with my JOB, have health benefits (paid for by my employer), retirement (matched 100% by my employer), have paid vacation and sick time, and yearly bonuses based on my production during the year.  I have a healthy savings account, my kids want for nothing, I drive a nice car as does my husband, and actually get to enjoy time with my family in the evenings and on weekends because I’m not consumed by my “business”. 

All Jobs might be an MLM to you, but at least I have security and I don’t have to lie to people to get their money so they sign up under me. 

Oh, and I AM a business owner with my own photography business on the side – I make a nice supplemental income from it, but right now I’d rather spend time with my children as they are growing then build it into something bigger.  Can’t say as much for their father who is missing out on their lives while he “works” his Visalus business. 

You do realize that $250k and $25k is paid out in monthly payments over 2 years or more, right?  And that the BMW is not really “free”, you have to qualify for it with BMW just like with any car loan or lease, Visalus just gives you a “bonus” each month that you are suppose to use towards the payments.  You don’t maintain your level, you lose that money, but the car payments are still due and YOU are responsible for it.  I bet you saw my ex husband there doing his rah-rah spiel and even saw Hulk Hogan endorsing the products (btw he’s a PAID endorser).

My ex spends more time trying to recruit new distributors under him so he can keep his level in the company, and is missing out on his kids growing up because he cancels his weekend visitation with them.  He’s been involved for a year and a half and is almost an Ambassador (WOW!) but I have yet to see him go on a vacation except for the Visalus sponsored thing in Miami right after the Orlando cult convention, he got to spend 2 glorious days with other Visalus cult members – ooooo Fun! 

I think I’ll pass on the 3 day cruise next year since I’m taking a 2 week trip to Hawaii next year to do some scuba diving… I don’t have to go on a Visalus sponsored event, I can go where I want to go.  Oh, and I get paid while I’m gone since my day job has that thing called “vacation time”.

Good luck with your Visalus adventure – make sure to taste test all the different flavors of kool-aid along the way. 

Cancel the card and get another.

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You lease or purchase the BMW yourself (has to be black and can be a  motorcycle also) the company does not help you with this (got credit get car, bad credit no car).  Once you reach a certain level they pay 600 towards your note.  If you don’t want the car you get 300 a month extra.  But you have to maintain that level of sales.  Hell if you own a BMW and it’s black you get the 600.  I’m not knocking it, tried the shakes, taste good and filling.  They’ll help you lose weight, but I don’t have the time or patience to do MLM/network marketing.   

This sounds like some of my family. They used baby sitting, Christmas get together, even promising to quit smoking to try to get me to sign up. They live in some fantasy world that all they have to do is get you to one of their challenges and you will see the light and be a convert. I tried to explain to the that a MLM is a pyramid and they want your conections. They get every bodies money for as long as they can then they move on to greener pasture leaving everybody mad at everybody else. Read all the blogs to see what a rip off this is especailly the BMW.

I like you . You live in the real world. You have the common sense to figure this thing out.

You are great.  You know this business inside out. Hulk Hogan will endorse anything if he is paid and he doesn’t cost much either. His wife divorced him after he beat her etc while on steroids. So he needs every little bit he can get, have you seen hacking rent-a-couch co.  That is another business that is designed to take advantage of the desperate.

all your clips are just proof of the kool-aid you drank and the cult chant

The Tried and true  Weight  Loss : moderation: burn  more  calories than you eat :  Simple  Make money  by  Not  buying  all those  Groceries: Healthy choices :
 LOL  make your own  Shakes.with natural foods.walk  instead  of  driving  a BMW that  you don’t own  with  a Company that   doesn’t  recognize  you as an Employee..Has no   Benefit package of any kind and will keep  charging you when  you   God  Forbid ever  get sick and  can’t  peddle  the  stuff for a while……Come on   what does that tell you? I  thought I  had  heard it all till now? Are  you PPL that desperate .ITS  like  trying to  Make it big  NOW  selling  Avon / Amway / Tupperware/  products  ..YOU  had to be at  the TOP a Long time  ago? You are the Grunts  ………….and the Big  pigs are getting  fatter .

Ur friend should have and could have done that for you and been in touch with the company in 2.5 seconds!!!  Not the company’s fault but ur friends!!!  This info is coming from a Visalus distributor!!!

Ok I do not usually comment on articles like this one but it sounds like this guy needs to do some more research. I have a great job w great benefit and I make a six figure income and have now for 12 years. I love what I do but I work a lot of hours and very long days. I got into visalus 3 months ago and I won the BMW the first month. I did not run out and get a BMW because I want to sustain my level and know that I will be able to maintain this level before I go buy or lease the car, but that just sounds like common sense to me. So far I have maintained that level and my business has grown every month. This is the easiest way to make money for anyone willing to work at it, yes I said work. If you call work having people(family, friends, etc.) over to your home and hang out and drink shakes, and watch a video that does most the selling for you. This is not the right thing for everyone but a lot of people need extra income right now, and I know this can work in the last 3 months I now have 30 distributors and 66 customers and 8 people have become directors and 3 of those will probably become regionals this month and win the car. So why am I doing this, because if I can replace my income with something I can do in half the hours per week and when I want to do it. It is called freedom!!!!!! I have 3 small children and how great would it be to spend more time with them, my family and friends. Life is full of opportunities try to see them, everything we do has negatives and last I heard unemployment it as at an all time high maybe people can not just run out and find a job. Also the product is awesome everyone I know has lost weight and felt better and it saves you money because it is a meal replacement. Where else can you spend less than 3 dollars for a meal. I think some of you guys just need to open your minds just a little bit. MLM can work and not all of them are the same again all I can say is do your research.

You contradict yourself very badly here…you say it is a lot of work (and it is), but then you go on to say it’s the easiest way to make money (in your obvious pitch). So which is it? You also say that all it is is having family and friends over, drinking shakes and the product sells itself (another obvious pitch)…what about attending challenge party after challenge party after challenge party, travel to this event here and that event there, constantly talking with downline trying to get them to sell and retain them as distributors, retaining customers, team calls, online “training” (which was pathetic BTW), back office work, social networking for hours, constantly and always trying to recruit…in other words you are always working…unlike my real job where I can leave work at work, and I actually have quality time to spend with my family, something I couldn’t do as a Visalus distributor.I just want people to know the truth instead of what they hear from a Visalus distributor.  I certainly have no complaints about my life: great full-time job with the federal government, pension, benefits, vacation, sick leave, tons of advancement, job security…you get none of that with Visalus…They try to tell you that you’re a business owner and an entrepreneur. Well, you don’t own your own business: you have no control over the product, over the compensation, over events, over the future of Visalus, even over your downline…you’re not an entrepreneur, you’re a sales associate. Every distributor you sign up is now your direct competition.

Bottom line: save your money, but especially save your time. It’s much better spent with your family than giving it to Visalus.

I would never recommend this to an unemployed person (or really anyone for that matter), because first, they would have to shell out some serious cash to sign up and to maintain their monthly membership, and second, if you really want to cold call people (mostly friends and family) to try to get them to buy Visalus products (or sign them up as a distributor), you might as well get a job doing telemarketing and getting regular paycheques. Trust me, even at the ambassador level, where claiming you make 10K/month is a regular saying, you really only make about 10 to 16 bucks an hour when you account for all the time and money you invest getting to and maintaining that level.

Visalus prefers to be called MLM instead of pyramid…which is like saying callgirl instead of whore.

Fields i find it funny how you keep saying wait to see how much you are spending vs how much you are making. You only get charged for your kit if you have not earned for free. Get your facts straight…

I do not ever get involved in these arguments but after reading all these posts, i have  just have to intervene. 
Subject: Visalus 
Ok these are the facts.My best friend got me to try the shakes because i am a health freak and i have tried everything out there. I liked them… alot so then he pitched me. Knowing i would not get involved with a MLM company i did my research and ended up joining. I am glad i did so far so good. The shakes are the healthiest out there and i am watching day by day my friends lose weight and live a healthier life style. I received 3 checks and my product is free. There has been no extra charges to my c/c etc. Also i have had 2 distributors need to drop out for personal reasons they did on the 29th day of their first month and got a 100% refund. Here is the deal i did not get into this looking to retire from this or get a BMW. I do this because it is a great product and the system works its fun to have the parties and i do not sell people the dream. I tell them you will lose weight safely and you can make some money. By the way my friend has received his BMW status and is making an extra $1600.00 a month. Here the deal its a great product it is helping people get healthier and you can get your product for free. That is 100% legit facts. Can you make a great deal of money yes if you put the time in and you get lucky enough to have huge contact list of people. One thing i will say is that weight watchers is not a good product read the nutritional fact on their shakes.
Plus if you get all your friends to join what do you get out of it??? NOTHING so go on and make them money not your self…. This has been recognized by CNN MSNBC the Trump Org. etc as a great system. The proof is in the pudding as they say and there is a lot of pudding made…. Stop telling fabricated stories, sales is not for everyone and this is a sales job…..If you want to lie a healthier life then use the product it works, if you want to make some extra income then do it cuz it works, but don’t i dont suggest you quit your day job……       

Its not rocket science folks! Why does a meal replacement work for weight-loss? You are replacing a larger calorie meal with a lower calorie meal. If you are taking good supplements or maybe adding healthy snacks while on any meal replacement shake program your body can maintain its muscle mass while on a program of this kind and the weight you lose is fat. Visalus is a business like many others to sell product to make money. Walmart sells thousands of products every hour of every day marks them up from their cost and none are calling the Walton empire a scam. That is a true pyramid. Regional Managers, District managers, General Managers, CEO’s CFO’s……blah blah blah! You can start there as a cashier and maybe even work your way up to CEO someday if you live long enough but its probably not going to happen. So many negatives about MLM’s, wow! If you think your JOB is great because they pay a portion of social security for you guess again cause they should pay that to you since the SS system is going bye bye. As far as your 401K program or matching company dividends whatever! Your paid time off, sick days that are used as days off by most who call in sick when they are not. Your profit sharing programs for upper level execs or your benefits paid by the company. You are so stupid because all of those things are figured in when they hire you based on what they expect for your production to be or how much they are making off you promoting their scheme. You see all companies make money by providing products or services even the one you are WORKING FOR! Instead of promoting the product they offer on TV, magazines, radio adds or even adding to all the hundreds of pounds of junk mail we all throw away each year by adding just one more flyer they pay promoters my advertising by word of mouth. We all promote things by word of mouth most days anyway. The movie you just saw and tell all your friends about, or the restaurant you “check-in” via Facebook, the theme park you email pictures of your family to your friends are all versions of promoting by word of mouth which is the best advertisement you could ever wish for as a business owner. Visalus pays its promoters for advertising for them. There is no magic pill or super natural ingredients but a system that when followed can assist people in losing weight gaining self confidence because they finally are losing weight without having to eat salad every meal and drink water. Duh! Most people don’t know how to prepare a healthy meal! If they did they wouldn’t be fat and need to lose weight in the first place. It’s easy to make a shake. Yes if they lose weight they may be able to reduce or stop taking certain medications. If they lose weight they also might start working out because of the new level of confidence. Visalus will give them their product for FREE if they have 3 people that are up for a challenge with them but they will not pay for your shipping so add about ten bucks to your free product, still no trip to the store so cool. Yes they want you to be on auto ship so they can plan for the future and make sure they have enough product to fill orders. Do people realize how much food this country throws away each day because of poor planning? Would the restaurants in this country throw away so much if they only took reservations and you had to see the menu on the web and order in advance for the party attending? Why would this be a bad thing? That’s what we do at home right? We plan our meals, go shopping and put a menu together for our family meals that week, right? Maybe some of you out there don’t plan the meals prior to going to the store so you end up buying a bunch of stuff you don’t need and end up buying a bunch of crap too and then wonder why you got fat? Seriously, groceries are costly especially when you try to eat healthy! Its cheaper to get fat than it is to stay thin at the grocery! So you find yourself in a situation where you realize you need to lose weight. What do you do? there are a lot of options out there and one of them is drinking meal replacement shakes. Visalus has good ones but they are not the only ones. You have the right to choose. They are the only ones you can get for FREE or win a cruise or a Hollywood vacation that I know of. When you do lose weight, and I hope you do, people are going to ask what you are doing different. Be honest and let them know and they will want to try it too. You just promoted it and could be receiving a check for your word of mouth advertisement. To get paid you either have to buy $125 of product for yourself each month or have $200 in customers product. You choose. You can get paid one of 8 ways. The company will not by you the car or lease it for you that is your job. They will pay you $300 extra when you reach the second level of the compensation plan and if you choose to get a Black BMW, new or used, lease or purchase, 2002 or newer then they will give you $600 extra as a bonus. I know if you don’t work your job like you want it you will lose it. I also know if you don’t work your business like a business you can lose it. Visalus is no different than having a franchise, except they don’t take royalties from your money that you collect like franchises do. I am a promoter and have been for 15 months. I have a 750LI that I drive daily which is paid for 100% by what I earn from the company. I have helped 34 others qualify for their car bonus too on my team of winners. We do have some losers on the team too. They quit before they get started just like every other aspect of there life but for a moment when they first signed  I saw some hope in their eyes right before they called and talked to one of their friends like you and killed the dream of maybe just maybe this will work for them too! Then finally those people that don’t want others to succeed sell them on a different “scam” and make them stop believing in themselves and they quit. The guy who signed me up never worked it and he quit. The guy who signed him up saw what I did and has finally now started following the system and just qualified for his car. The guy who signed him up was in another MLM that I said NO to and hasn’t really been able to get it going as well as he wanted to but only does promotions on face book. The guy above him is what you call a One Star Ambassador so he is doing well and the one above him is the same rank. As for me, I just made the level of One Star Ambassador too. I made a bit over 13K last month and there is no end in sight. I believe that I can get this level of income up to $150,000 per month by October of 2012. There are others making that now. If you don’t get it then no problem stay at your job! If you want to depend on Social Security no problem. If 67 is the age you want to retire then great. For me and others on my team I know there is more out there and this is a way that I can build true wealth and retire young. BTW, I lost 40 lbs over the last year and my wife lost 42 lbs. I did start going to a gym 3 weeks ago because I do have a new 90 day challenge. I am training to increase my muscle mass by 10 lbs. Its been a struggle but I will make it. I never would have gone to the gym the way I was before. The success I had for my weight loss has changed me in many ways. Wow, I just realized it is 5:26 am, I better go to bed. Even though I don’t have to get up at a certain time I still have things that I want to do in the morning like go jet ski. Things that I want to do like help my team reach their own next levels. I wish all that read this Vitality!     

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You always have something to work towards. I personally started at 601lbs, and am down to 504 now in 66 days, I feel better than ever, It’s given me the energy to leave the house again. I’ve gone from not being able to walk through the Mall parking lot without stopping for air, to swimming, walking daily, and going to the gym every morning. My skin’s cleared up, my dandruff *spelling?* has stopped.  At the end of the 90 I will still have plenty to lose, so I’ll start another 90 day challenge, When I get to my goal weight, maybe i’ll want to add more muscle, or work on jogging or something i’ve never been able to do before.  If you aren’t trying to better yourself every day, what are you doing with your days? You should always be on a 90-day Challenge, even if you aren’t doing the ViSalus program. I don’t care if I become the most fit person alive, I’m sure i’ll be able to think of something to challenge myself to get better at. People go on additional 90day Challenges because we love the way it makes us feel. Now, I’d love to stick around and read all the negative things you guys have to say about the people and program that has given me a shot of hope at living a normal life for a change, but I think i’ll go to the park and walk around after I have my breakfast shake. Have a good one!!  

“Recognized by CNN, MSNBC, Trump Org…” MLM companies have been known to pay big bucks to have ”celebrities” endorse their crap…Visalus is using Hulk Hogan right now…Hogan is a whore for money and would put his name on Depends adult diapers if the price was right.
 
Weight Watchers is all about counting calories and eating healthy, so telling people that WW is no good just shows how much of a brainwashed Visalus sales rep you are. Of course your friends are losing weight: it’s because they are consuming less calories by replacing 2 meals a day with shakes. You can do that without spending a fortune on Visalus shakes/products…count your calories, eat healthy and wholesome food. If you want to use a meal replacement shake, get one at the grocery store where they are much better priced and you don’t pay extra for shipping. Don’t listen to Visalus reps who claim their shake is the healthiest, best tasting, cures stuff BLAH BLAH BLAH…a Visalus rep just wants your money.
 
And that extra income a month you say you’re making (Visalus reps ALWAYS claim they make more than they actually do, it’s a selling technique), when you account for all the TIME and MONEY you invested to make that extra income, you probably made about 5 to 10 bucks an hour.  When most people go home from work, they like to spend quality time with their families and leave work at work. They don’t have time to telemarket every single person they know, attend challenge party after challenge party after challenge party, travel to this event here and that event there, constantly talk with their downline trying to get them to sell and retain them as distributors, retain customers, participate in team calls, take online “training” (which was pathetic BTW), complete back office work, social network for hours, constantly and always trying to recruit every single person they meet.

Bottom line: save your money, but especially save your time. It’s much better spent with your family than giving it to Visalus.

“Recognized by CNN, MSNBC, Trump Org…” MLM companies have been known to pay big bucks to have ”celebrities” endorse their crap…Visalus is using Hulk Hogan right now…Hogan is a whore for money and would put his name on Depends adult diapers if the price was right.
 
Weight Watchers is all about counting calories and eating healthy, so telling people that WW is no good just shows how much of a brainwashed Visalus sales rep you are. Of course your friends are losing weight: it’s because they are consuming less calories by replacing 2 meals a day with shakes. You can do that without spending a fortune on Visalus shakes/products…count your calories, eat healthy and wholesome food. If you want to use a meal replacement shake, get one at the grocery store where they are much better priced and you don’t pay extra for shipping. Don’t listen to Visalus reps who claim their shake is the healthiest, best tasting, cures stuff BLAH BLAH BLAH…a Visalus rep just wants your money.
 
And that extra income a month you say you’re making (Visalus reps ALWAYS claim they make more than they actually do, it’s a selling technique), when you account for all the TIME and MONEY you invested to make that extra income, you probably made about 5 to 10 bucks an hour.  When most people go home from work, they like to spend quality time with their families and leave work at work. They don’t have time to telemarket every single person they know, attend challenge party after challenge party after challenge party, travel to this event here and that event there, constantly talk with their downline trying to get them to sell and retain them as distributors, retain customers, participate in team calls, take online “training” (which was pathetic BTW), complete back office work, social network for hours, constantly and always trying to recruit every single person they meet.
 
Bottom line: save your money, but especially save your time. It’s much better spent with your family than giving it to Visalus.

I have done the research and seen it in action.  When a Rep( the company doesn’t recornize as a Rep) runs out of family and friends they start to get desperate and that is when the lying and conning really starts.  They become such pests they drive everyone crazy. I saw on a weight lifting site that the lifters said Visalus was not any good it was made with cheap products and didn’t work. Also it had a product tha could be dangerous to some. But the Reps(?) always start lying about how much they have lost and how much they have made.  I would wait on that BMW it is probably going to all start falling apart soon.

Not exactly like Avon etc. at least they had useful products. And they did not teach you to lie and to con your family.

You have expenses like gas to get to parties, going to their meetings everywhere, taxs, web site, the $500-$1000 for getting into it to start. And then you get to convince everyone to be your cmpetition. Keeping those three is not as easy as you would think. Your customers are coming to their senses and quitting and the others you are converting from customer to competition.

I don’t beleive a word of this. But if it is true good for you how many people did you have to scam.  I’ll keep my job with all it’s draw backs like vacation, sick days, health insurance ( Oh by the way do you have any?) , 401K, etc.  Answer me one question why don’t people just order it off of Amazon and there is no shipping charge over $25. Who wants to carry around milk, blender, add ins etc. They really should put some money into product development. How much are your taxes?  How did you get that lease? When this bites the dust what are you going to put on your resume?

Whose kool-aid have you been drinking? CNN MSNBC may have recognized them as a scam but not as a business model. They do not recognize or recommend any business or business model unless they are buying air time.  Some one is giving you a lot of Hockie. As far as Trump who knows what he is going to recognize but I doubt even doubt that.  I would have to have proof from your friend.  They use every trick and con in the book.  They plan ways to scam their friends and families. It is like a cult that convinces each other it is just business. This is not a sales job. When you have a job the company recognizes you as an employee Visalus doesn’t. A job gives you a benefit packages and pays taxes for you Visalus doesn’t.  Ask your friend how much he has spent with Visalus and because of Visalus Travel etc.

Hi Izzy. It matters not to me whether you believe any of this or not. You should keep your job because you like it and what it brings you. That’s great! I personally don’t have paid days off or paid sick days as you would understand however I have not worked today at all. I woke up around 10:30 am and took a shower. Then I had a shake for breakfast and went to my sons high school. He had a problem with his schedule for some reason but we got it worked out. After that we went to a sub shop for lunch and then went by a friends house to look at the puppies they have for sale. Cute dogs, they are a mix between a poodle and chiwawa. My wife was already there so it was fun. Now I’m home but I will be going to a challenge party tonight to help some new folks in the business. I pay my own taxes and have a couple of IRA’s. I did make money today because the team did a bit over $17,000 in business in the last 24 hours. Why don’t people just order it on Amazon? I guess the company could sell directly to the end user like some others but that is not what they chose to do. I don’t carry around milk and things to add in to the shake. If I’m not home I use a shaker bottle that I got from the gym to mix protein shakes in. Usually I have 2 servings if I mix it in that because I usually mix with water. So that shake is more cost than the ones I make at home but still less money than an unhealthy meal that I would get at the drive through. I really love it because for me it just makes sense. As for the car I bought it and have a loan. The payment is $540 and one of the bonuses I get is $600 so that more than pays for it. As far as my resume you ask? When I started Visalus I was a business owner. I have not ever worked for another person or company since getting out of the military. I hated that fealing of being owned. I will always own my own life because I can. Sure it would be easy to go get a job and work for others but my reason to work for myself has always been FREEDOM. I come from a well educated family, father has his doctorate, mother has a masters and a specialist education degree on top of that, sisters both have masters, and my brother is a paramedic. I have a high-school diploma. What I have that none of them ever had was the will to be self employed. The will to believe in myself. Last year I made more than all of them put together but that is not a new thing. I did that before getting involved with Visalus. Best wishes to you. I hope for all that read this Vitality.

Your ex-husband has been with the company a year and half. Congradulations LOL. That is longer than anyone I have heard of staying in before it fell apart.

Amd they encouraged to go the $1000 route and to also buy promotional products. They have to pay for travel expenses to challenge parties and their monthly meetings. Whoa……

Check out Amazon, Visalus is sold there and no shipping charges.  What you sell is people wanting a get rich quick scheme. You did not answer do you have health insurance, does your children? Maybe your wife provides all this for you or do you think if any thing happens the government will take care of me.  We are not talking about freedom, real freedom is free from worrying about your future, you are talking about irresponsibily. The truth is that this stuff’s market is to saturated and the only ones who will end up buying it is the people selling.

Who pays for the car loan if you don’t make your quota. Your wife muct have a job otherwise you would never have got the loan.

You are really spewing the brainwashing you received. One minute you are saying you have to work hard and the next minute you don’t have to do anything but to sit back and let your team work. It is so sad you are peddling a get rich scheme that takes other peoples money with your pitch and preying on people with bad body images and real needs. You Visalus people always jack up the amount of weight you loose and the amount of money you make.

“You Visalus People”, thanks, Ill take that as a complement! Looks like you need to read again. I never said that I work hard one minute and the next I let the team do all the work. Visalus is not a get rich quick scheme. It’s a meal replacement program. We base it on a 90 day challenge because everyone can focus on something for 90 days if they have a goal to reach. No, I didn’t inflate the numbers either in the weight loss or the income. I’m actually one of the lowest paid One Star Ambassadors. Most of the others in my position are making over $15K a month. That is a good living but definitely not rich. As far as preying on people, are you serious? I am just a messenger letting people know that there are options.  

I have never missed qualifying for the car bonus since we originally got it September of last year and don’t plan to because that is one of the lowest levels in the company and I am one of the highest. No, my wife doesn’t have a job and getting a loan is easy even in a bad economy if you have always had good banking relationships like we have. We have great credit so it has never been a problem. I bought my first home in 1994 at the age of 21. It was a real piece but it was mine. I hope for all who read this, Vitality.

I looked on Amazon and do see that some of the other promoters are offering the product on that sight. That is what they choose to do but I promise you that the shipping is not FREE. Someone is paying for it and it might even be the promoter is some case. I’m sure they just take it out of the commission they receive after all we doo get paid very well for customers. Last month on my team we had 348 of them. Customers that is. Cool huh? That’s almost as many promoters we had last month on the team. That number was only 507. 126 of them made around $500 last month. 33 of them have gotten the BMW bonus and make an average of $1,800 per month. 6 of them got to the next level where the company is paying them to go to L.A. and hang out with the founders (great young guys by the way) for the weekend and they average $4,000 a month. 2 of them made it to the next level where they will have an all expense 3 day vacation somewhere tropical. When we went they put us up in the Ritz Carlton, it was so fun because we had about 300 people there and really took over the place. Great Party! Oh, and yes I do have insurance. We pay for it ourselves like any other “Self Employed” person. We haven’t always had it but for the last 6 years we have been able to afford it especially now that individual plans are not too expensive in Florida. Yes, my children are on the plan too. In prior years we bought insurance through the school system for them. They didn’t cover the parents but at least they had it. I never once thought that if my plans failed that I would expect others or the government to take care of me. I don’t think highly those who manipulate our well-fare system and would even know where to start if I needed assistance. I do have REAL FREEDOM and never “worry about my future” as you say. I am very responsible and I plan for my future. Most people don’t plan. I, am not most people. As far as the market being saturated? It’s not yet but that is the goal! Visalus will be a household name one day, even around the globe. We just launched in Canada and have “PLANS” for at least 21 other countries. I think we are on our way to helping many people change their lives for the better. Thanks for all who read this and I wish you Vitality. 

As a self employed person you do pay your own taxes. Also as a self employed person you get to write off many things and pay tax on what is net income instead of gross income. So my travel expenses are not part of my income they are an expense. You would need to be self employed to realize the tax advantages so I don’t blame you for feeling the way you do. My health insurance for my family is a business expense also, just as it is for an employer. I wish for all that read this Vitality.

A weight lifting site downing another business? Wow, what a professional company! You should definitely take advice from them! Seriously? You are smarter than that. Did you down them for taking steroids too? Or commend them for building muscle the natural way? Everyone can think of excuses not to do anything. Even an excuse to not jump on a great opportunity when it presents itself. Luck happens when opportunity meets preparation. I wish for all that read this, Vitality.

That is why you are known as “Ex-Visalus Distributor”, because you think every one you sign up is your direct competition. If you signed them up they are part of your team. I built a team with positive like minded forward thinking people. You speak and think like an employee and that is why you are one. It’s OK that you weren’t able to make it happen, some people just don’t have it in them to follow through with what they start. Some of of do. I wish for all that read this, Vitality.

It’s not for everybody but obviously he needed something different in his life than he had before. Maybe this is what he really wants. You should hope he changes as far as the children are concerned. I wish you both success and all that read this, Vitality.

You should look up the meaning of the word cult. “refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre” I don’t think it means what you think it does. If what we are doing is abnormal or bizarre then sign me up again! Helping others change their live for the better both physically, and financially. Yea, thats awful! I wish for all that read this, Vitality.

Thank you for saying, “long story shorter….the product is just ONE of HUNDREDS of ways to get fit PERIOD!!” At least you agree in that we are an option for those looking. As far as making money, as with most businesses not all promoters of the challenge will be out of the red in only days, weeks, or even months. However that is exactly what we experienced. I have not paid for my product in 15 months, never missed a month of my BMW bonus and achieved the rank of One Star Ambassador last month and made 13K. No scam here, just great business. I wish for all that read this, Vitality. 

What are the better cheaper products? Why would you want her to quit?

You should really look up the definition to the word “Cult”. I don’t think it means what you think it does. Why would the hundreds fail again? PArtial market penetration and growing! Just this year in January around 14,000 joined the challenge. Just last month over 67,000 people joined the challenge. Yes, we are penetrating very well. Those who can’t do should move out of the way of those who can. I wish for all that read this, Vitality.

You don’t have to be an English Major to follow a simple proven system. Just ask most Franchisees?

What’s your idea of “AN Amazing JOB”? Do you have one that is truly amazing?

Congrats on going from fat to fit! You are right that exercise and eating right are the best way but let’s be honest. If exercise and eating right was so easy then we would be a country full of fat people. Most of us are not stay at home parents and haven’t been taught to eat properly or in some cases even how to cook a healthy meal. A meal replacement is exactly that, a meal replacement. It was designed to work for all, even the lazy ones, the too busy to exercise ones, the ones that only will do it the easy way. As far as the money to throw away? It’s a meal replacement ( i think i said this already), if you are currently eating (i think most people do that are living) then you actually save money replacing that meal with a shake that only costs $1.87. Oh yea, by the way, we also offer a 3 for FREE program. FYI :) I wish for all that read this, Vitality. 

You are so right! “fruits and veggies and REAL food and exercising. It is simple but
nobody wants to do the work to be healthy. They want a slim-quick plan
that offers INSTANT results and that’s where YOU come in.” That is where we come in. Where there is a need, there is usually a company with a goal to fulfill that need and that is where a successful business begins. Glad I got started. Great opportunity! I wish for all that read this, Vitality. 

You are right! ” Eat right, drink plenty of water and exercise. This takes a lifestyle change”. You are right again “People are always looking for the easy way to do things”. That is where we come in. Where there is a need, there is usually a
company with a goal to fulfill that need and that is where a successful
business begins. Glad I got started. Great opportunity! I wish for all
that read this, Vitality.  

Well please inform this community what they are!

Broke, employee, JOB mentality, no business experience, must have been told “NO” a lot. These are just a few things that come to mind after reading your post. Why is it you think being an employee is so cool these days? Have you not seen all the companies out sourcing to other countries? Do you not see all the people getting let go in this economy? Maybe having built an additional income would have saved some of the foreclosures. Start really looking at the big picture. There are choices out there other than the one you chose. At least they are attempting to make a positive difference. That’s what I’m doing right now, attempting. Be nice to each other. I wish all that read this, Vitality. 

Wow! You have no idea what you are talking about! You don’t have to pay to sell the products. Dude, if want a lesson I can teach you one. If you are not up to hear the truth don’t reply!

Mine is a 750LI. No complaints here!

Sorry put I do know taxs and tax advantage and I have owned my own business.  Your families health insurance is not a business expense. Try that and the IRS will come calling.  Yes your travel and etc are business expenses and can be wrote off but be careful that you don’t have more expenses than income. This has happened to several people who did well and then started losing business and spent thinking they could get more business and came out in the hole.

It was just as site started by weight lifters and they just mentioned Visalus in passing.  They weren’t selling anything. 

That was not my post. Life is full of chooses.  I chose not to lie , cheat, scam, take advantage of someone’s poor body image, take advantage of ones financial troubles and add to them and I choose not to pester the hell out of friends and family..

A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves promising participants payment, services or ideals, primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme or training them to take part, rather than supplying any real investment or sale of products or services to the public
This supplies a product or service. So it isn’t a Pyramid Scheme.

A corporation owns my Visalus distributorship and I am an officer of the corporation and it does pay for my health insurance. My corporation has paid for it for the last six years and my accountant takes care of that for me. Get informed, start your own business, lead the lifestyle you want to earn not just the one you are allowed by your JOB!

Some promoters may pester the hell out of friends and family but I don’t. That is not good business. I simply found a way I could help others improve their lives and have done just that. I am just the messenger. As with all messages you can choose to read or not, you can choose to believe or not, as you can also choose to succeed or not. If you call helping those who would have otherwise still been unhealthy or over weight using our product in the same way they can use others because they want to change their self image that is your choice. They make the decision to change, I didn’t make it for them. I only promote a challenge. What they decide to do with it is up to them.

Thanks for clearing up his garble. We have almost as many customers as we do promoters. They collect the information and choose what they do with it. Some choose to be on the challenge and take a chance at even winning cash cruises and such. Others decide to be promoters and add additional income to the home. Others only choose the challenge but would like to get with a group of friends and at least get the product for free. Choices people, we all have them, you have to make yours.

Yes you do, if you want to just sell enough to be able to sell to get your product free that will be $49 If you want to sell and get a commission and money for BMW you have to pay $500-$1000 (depending how far you want to go) for that previlege. You have to buy or sell $200 amonth to stay active. You have to sign up for $125 auto ship and if you don’t sell three people you get to pay for it. You have to get enhance web site $29 amonth. You have to buy promotional supplies, you have to pay your travel, etc.. Yes you can deduct expenses except auto ship if you make enough to pay for them to start with. Oh yea don’t forget Uncle Sam the social security and medicare is on all you receive and you have to pay both side, so take appx 15% off the top.  Sure sounds like nothing.  If you really want to complicate your life go lease or buy a BMW that is if you can without that bad old job.  They’ll give you $600 amonth for it as long as you keep 3 legs and your team makes $12500 and only 1 leg can make 60% of it.  Don’t make it and the payment is yours. You might have to go out and get one of those evil old jobs.

Great job on building your business by helping others! More success by an individual who is following a system by promoting a healthy 90 day challenge. Well done.

Because he or she are obviously not happy with it and isn’t making any money only debt. As far as better and cheaper there are hundreds go to any grocery, drug, or vitamin store,

How did you find the weight lifters site? Are you too looking for a way to lose some of those unwanted pounds and you would like to do it the fastest, easiest, healthiest way possible but don’t have the time to eat healthy 100% of the time like most over worked under paid Americans? Sounds like you might be up for a challenge! My suggestion is to find a program that fits in your budget, that is simple and easy to follow and won’t cause any undesired extra stress in your life. Add a bit more exercise in to your days and set some goals. Visalus is an option but there are many options so choose the one that feels right for you. I wish all that read this, Vitality.

You are making their point over saturation.

Haven’t really looked at the opportunity have you? You can tell by your statement. Be informed and willing to learn before trying to down it. Be an employee! It’s OK that you don’t understand. The benefit package is this, I can afford what most can’t including time to enjoy the life that I have. I wish all that read this, Vitality.

Get informed at http://www.overview.visalus.com

Thank you for stating the obvious for most other people without the will to excel. And I quote, “Welcome to the real world baby! Here we don’t get sleep, we have ulcers
and crappy bosses but at least all of it is REAL!!!” That is most peoples reality’s but not mine. I chose a different path. Get informed before you down something you obviously know nothing about. I wish for all who read this, Vitality.

The only ones who get left behind are the lazy, job minded, hourly or salary minded people that don’t have the grit to be successfully self-employed. You have bought all the lies you were brought up being told. The Script you are speaking is not how it always was in this country. The whole get a good education, go to college, find a good job, work for forty plus years has been sold to people in this country since the Great Depression. I bet some of the people who have lost their jobs and homes and 401K’s and lives over the last few years have wished they had been self-employed so they had some control over what happens to them. I wish for all who read this, Vitality.

You are so far gone there is no way to get to you. But please make sure that you do have a saving account if you are making that kind of money now because belief me it will not last.  Those nice young men had another pyramid scheme before this one involving long distance when it fell they started this one and when this falls they will start another. If this product is so great why is it not in stores? Why do you have to recruit your own competition if it is a sales job.  They are just fooling you and you are just fooling yourself if you think you own a business.  I still don’t see how you got a loan if you or your wife don’t have job or a real business with real assets. 

You keep contradicting yourself If you have formed a INC you better have that checked out, there are rules to forming a corporation.  Everyone gets to count their business expenses that are not reimmersed by the company you work for (most do when you have a JOB so you don’t have to count it off. you get more benefit that way then just writing it off as a deduction). You should talk to your accountant if you have one, because if you are counting it off as a expense  for the corp. you must also count it as income for yourself as an employee of said corp..  Also you do not have a Visalus Distutorship they don’t have any if they did then they would have some liabilty for them and Visalus does not admit anyone is in a business relationship (check your contract) because they do not want any kind of liabilty.  As far as they are concerned you don’t exsist only your money does. If you own your own business you have all the liabilty for everything.

Distributorship????? Visalus won’t even asmit you work for them or respresnt them.  They won’t even admit they asked you to sell or that they asked you to get others to sell for them.  To have Corporation don’t you have to have some assets; building, inventory, patents, something…….

No I wasn’t looking for a weight lifting site, I was searching for this one and the word Visalus just jumped out at me . Having an inquiring mind I checked it out

The ones who have lost the most have been self employed. They have sold you the fairy tale that you are self employed. As far as being lazy I think people who are willing to lie and scam people are the ones who are lazy. They are to lazy and don’t have the grit to get out and hold a job. Make it sound so important to be self enployed. You do not own any buildings, inventory, patents, name rights, or any other assets. A scammer is a scammer no matter what they call themself. You hurt people even though you talk about helping people. Search the soul you might not have sold and admit it you hurt people.

Simply you hurt people look around you. If you did not hurt people I would have no problem with it.  MLMs hurt people.

I’m very saddened that there are people out there who will take this article as 100% fact and won’t go out and do their own research, and thus will miss out on an incredible opportunity. 

Always make up your own mind using facts from several different sources. Common Sense 101! :)

Did you even read any of my posts? Or even my handle? what I say is fact, because I’ve been there, done that with Visalus…read my posts under “Ex-Visalus Distributor”… it’s funny how none of you pro-Visalus people are responding to my posts…it’s because you know I speak the truth.

You say “do your research”, but provide no resources. Plus, when you google “Visalus”, most of the hits that come up are blogs from people doing online marketing (or funneling), trying to drive traffic to their selling site.

Bottom line people: save your money, but especially save your time. It’s much better spent with your family than giving it to Visalus.

Hey OneStar, read my posts under “Ex-Visalus Distributor”…

Hey OneStar, read my posts under “Ex-Visalus Distributor”…

I’m an “Ex” distributor, because I’ve seen the light. I made some money with Visalus, but it certainly was not worth the huge amount of time.

lol!  You built a team…yeah,ok…you’re making money off the failures of others…that’s exactly how the pyramid works.

Oh yeah, and I find it hilarious that because I’m not with Visalus anymore, you consider me someone who doesn’t follow through with things…you obviously know nothing about me, and to make that kind of judgement just shows the class of people MLMs deal with. You are either with them, or against them.

lol!  Sure, just work 24 hrs a day like a Visalus sales rep, never spend time with your family or friends, lie about how much money you make and live the Vi-Life!

Thank you so much for all your posts and your tact…not all posters are as polite as you.  I was raised that college was the only thing to do.  My husband went to college, had a fantastic job with great benefits and we had plenty…I didn’t need to work.  Then the economy tanked and most jobs went over seas and now he’s been unemployed for 2 years. Sales is very hard.  Selling anything whether a product like visalus, tupperware, avon, marykay, or working at the mall for a cell phone company or even at a bank is hard.  There is some type of selling in any job and it usually sucks.  But if you can just deal with it…think some will, some wont, so what and move on  you can create a successful business for yourself and family without conning anyone.  Some are interested and some are not…you don’t have to lie to be successful.  Just find someone who is interested.  It’s not a get rich quick scheme, its an opportunity to work for yourself, set your own schedule, and accomplish what you want to at your own pace.  I’m not saying its easy but its possible.  Just a little support OneStarAmb.  Thanks.

I’m new to the whole visalus thing…but I’m in love with the products…and i’ve already lost weight, but this isn’t about me….the company itself doesn’t tell you, you have to pay the 500$ to be in the bimmer club to make money, all you have to do to make any money at all, is simply get 3 people to become distributors, who in turn each find 3 people to become distributors, and so on and so on…the more people working under you the more money you make. so for 50$ and maybe another 50$ to get “testers” you can market the product…i’m already making 200$ a week, and I only payed for the 50$ distributorship plan….i have no need or want of a bmw or do i want to spend 500$ on a program I don’t know if i’ll even go that far in…but seeing as how i’m in a small rural area (less then 20,000 people) and there are over 70 visalus distributors in this area alone, i feel i’m doing a pretty good job selling something. I’m not looking for a full time career out of this MLM I just wanted to make a little cash on the side while working part time and in school full time…its easy, its fun, im losing weight and i’m making money….i may not be at the top of the food chain, but for me its not about that…i’m sorry to the poster of this but just because YOU believe its a scam and doesn’t work, etc….doesn’t mean the same for everybody. Also….i plan on moving next year, and i’ve been told and shown countless times that moving means nothing…i’m still in the program and i don’t lose anything provided i keep my clients…so i don’t know where you got that info but its wrong….

90% of bussiness are owned by people who are self employed and the only make up for 10% of income…yes, self emplyed people financially loose over corporations but if so many people strive for self-employement  money must not be everything

Izzy its Vi SHakes not kool ade. If you did your research which you have not. CNN business has stated it is not a scam. Trump organization Ivonka on MSNBC clearly stated that Visalus has done their homework and has turned into a creditable business. No one has told me anything i witnessed these my self. No one is feeding my lies. When ever invest in something i do the research and get the facts. I owned 3 of my own successful businesses. I am a GM of a restaurant now and work about 55 hours a week i do this because iam getting people to live a healthier life and making some extra income and its fun. You all act out about it not being a real job and taxes and blah blah blah. A job is anything you have to work at yes? so it is a job. We are selling a product and a challenge to lose weight yes? so it is sales. When year is up we receive a 1099 from visalus there for we are independent contractors. Where in the world do independent contractors get health ins, benefits etc. As for my friend and i besides the cost of the distributor package and a few dollars for business cards we have not incurred any more expenses, traveling is part of the job. Visalus has made a great product better then any other out there and the 90 day challenge is a great system it is saving and changing lives safely. Do your self a favor and really take a look what your knocking, if people do not want to do this then they do not have to, but if people want to do it then they will. As far as Visalus not admitting i work, sell or am affiliated with the company is a little far fetched. I had a customer call up for support for her website and they knew exactly who i was and the real funny thing is every month when i receive my check its funny wait for it…. it has visalus co. and my name on it and its sign by the CEO and you know whats even funnier besides you and your haters? my bank cashes it. OMG really enough said if you. Heres what i think all of you thought you could punch a time card take your 30 min break and then get a check at the end of the week. Opps you were mistaken and now your pissed off that every one who is doing it is succeeding. This MLM is not for every one and it not a 40 hour  a week job you get what you put into it. So stop making an azz out of your self stop knocking a great nutritional product and weight lose system and get a second job if you extra time on your hands. Maybe if you put all this hate and bashing into being a distributor you could have been successful.  

Izzy are you seeing what your writing…. This is an independent contractor job… get a grip if your going to post something at least know wtf your talking about. Its obvious you did not know how to run your business and what was legal or illegal when it came to filling your taxes…. thanks for saving me the troubles… idiot…

Ok weight Watchers really !!!! talk about paying celeb’s to endorse something.Unless you live on mars you do not do something or buy something just because a celeb endorses it, you do your research.  First off if you think WW is good than your the retard. Its all processed crap loaded with sodium, cholesterol, sugar, etc. Yeah they put you on a point system to help you learn to eat better, but it actually teaches you to be able to eat your junk food. Do you realize that people skip meals during the day so they can have that loaded sodium piece of Salisbury steak and a piece of chocolate lava cake for dinner.Yeah thats a healthy system. the funny thing also is that it does help you lose weight but when you go to your annual physical the doctors says whats going on you look good but you cholesterol is high you sugar levels are of etc. Next time you want to discuss a product don’t do it with a person who has been a cert personal trainer and married to a RN also cert nutritionist. I work about 55 hours with my full time job then i put in about 15 hours a week for Visalus and my checks are about  $800 a month. So do the math i get about $13 an hour. This is not work to me its fun and i am helping people get healthier and wealthier and i m getting $800.a month to do it. Like i said to dizzy i mean izzy maybe if you spent all your free time and effort like your doing all this site and put into Visalus then maybe you would have been successful. Oh by the way did you know that Visalus is excepted into the Weight Watchers point system…..its like -2 pts… do you homework before you run your mouth little boys.   

Whoa!  I never, ever called you a retard, so enough with the flamethrowing…I must have hit a nerve with you…

I’m happy for you that you like it so much, and I wish you all the luck…BTW, I was not talking about WW shakes, I was referring to their point system…and I certainly do not remember Visalus saying anything about a point system, so I have no idea what you’re talking about.

And you just proved my point about the money VS time…sorry, but I make enough money at my full time job that I don’t have to waste time peddling and MLM…I’d much rather spend that time with family and friends…

How embarassing it is to cold call people to try to sell them “health” products. But if you like it, then kudos to you. I wish you all the luck

I agree, I’m sure there are great, even possibly cheaper ways to go about it. But none of them worked for me, I can’t cook. I was 600lbs due to poor willpower and nutritional ignorance. Since starting Vi at the beginning of July I am down 102lbs, 9 inches in my hips, 1ft 2in in my chest, and 1ft in my waist. I’ve gone from spending about 30$ combined for Breakfast and Lunch to spending around 8$. Since starting I’ve learned what is healthy to eat and what isn’t. So when I’m finished with my weight loss, which will be a long way off, but none the less now possible, I can begin to maintain that weight with my new habits, and exercise routines. Sure, not everyone that signs up is going to get a BMW, who cares. I don’t want a car, I tell my friends about it because they ask me. I don’t push the product. I’m not trying to argue, I’m just saying if you wanna sit around and poke holes in something you can, nothing is flawless. But this is working for me, and working for many many others when nothing else has. I can’t imagine if I’d found this page and seen all the negative comments… i’d still be in hell.. makes me sad to think about it. 

Like everybody else you just got in it. Be very careful.it will snowball on you.  You said you live in a small rural place and it it already over saturated. Just be very careful before you are in to deep. Keep your soul

Don’t you even know enough to know that Weight Watchers is a point system. Each food has an amount of points alotted to it so you eat regular food and count your points and they have a support system.  There is no meal repacement shakes or any of that foolishness.

You have drunk a lot of the kool-aid, you do not make any sense and your math is awful.  Just the kind of person for an MLM

what are you saying? I know what an independant contractor is. You are an independant contractor if you want to stretch the meaning. No one just because they want to be a corporation can go say make a corporation there are some legal qualifications to it. If there is a corporation established and you are a officer of that corporation than the corporation has to file tax returns for that corporation and the officier has to file personal tax forms.  Bet ya know more than you do.  This is what I do. But I will not call you any names I think your words speak for you.

I would not talk to much about weight lifters and steroids since Visalas spokeman is a documented steroid user and wife beater.

no money is not everything.  Feeling good about yourself and what you are doing is important. Security is important  enjoying your life is important. doing no harm is important.  Not everyone strives for self-employment Most people strive for different levels of financial security.  I have fought all my life for the people who are bulled and taken advantage of. I do not like MLM because they take advantage of people who are in need for the most part. Lif lessons have told me that the easiest people to sell to are the people who can least afford it because they are so desperate to make their life better.  It is sad what humans are willing to do to other humans for their own gain

I was talking about the company paying for your health insurance if they pay it you have to count as income on your personal income taxs

I have no only love for my fellow man, that is why I try to save everyone some heart ache.  Sure everyone has a right to do what they want but I think they should be aware that they are being lied to, conned, and scammed which is what is being done to you.  I don’t know what kind of make believe world you live in. If anyone is interested in losing weight I would suggest that first you have to come to terms with who you are and like yourself for what ever your weight is. Then look at your outside and do it to get healthy as stated many times before eat healthy (really food we were meant to chew and have variety in our food, looks and aroma is important in satisfying out hunger) If you don’t know how to cook healthy there aare a lot of cookbooks out there and you have to have exercise to be healthy (you choose nice long walks are great).  This business is a pyramid MLM business is designed to scam.  I have never had my questions answered 1. Why do they try to sell you all the vitamins ( We all know vitamins are best gotten from food and most of the vitamins we take as supplements go out of our bodies as waste), appititite suppressions ( You say the shakes are such a great weight loss product) the ad ins. and the rest. 2. Why do you have to recruit your own competition if it is such a great sales job. 3.  Why is it not sold in stores ( could it be that it could not compete with similar products in price and quality).. 

All the visalus people have the same chant. Even that it is not for everyone. Everyone I have seen envolved in this stuff I would certainly describe their behaver as abnormal and bizarre, cultlike.

You really are delusional. Do you always hear things that are not there. You are on their AP list so what does that prove. You get a 1099 that is for tax purposes. You have to pay SS both sides on that.  Any one you pay over $600 a year, you have to send them a 1099 even if they mop your floors.

I am very saddened that there will be people who wont take this article seriously and waste a lot of time and money in a hopeful get-rich-quick scam. I have looked into it A LOT, been asked by everybody and their dog for me to get in on it because I am an entrepreneurial kind of person. This is complete bologna and you have to wonder if they offer you a car to try to get in quick, is it really too good to be true? Yes it is. And their science is crap. If I were to use any protein shake on the market it would be Isagenix with their proven fact that you body uses 97% of the shake and only 3% waste. I’d LOVE to hear how much waste is in this product that will soon be stored up into fat. Keep dreaming people. You are only losing weight as you are currently minimizing the overeating you used to do on large meals and now have a better set eating schedule.

But hey.. at least it tastes good.  

 Angel sounds like she’s had some bad experiences with network marketing, or she plainly doesn’t have any idea about sales or network marketing…

My dad is 55 yrs old, was 250 lbs, and has diabetes.  After the first month of taking the visalus products, he is taking less medication for his diabetes, has lost 20 lbs, and is now much healthier and going strong.  You guys need to do your research before you post.  Just because you can’t make it in this industry, doesn’t mean others can’t either.  People like Angel are always going to hate on people because they are jealous at what others have, they never had the skill for network marketing, or they are people that never go out and don’t have a social life.

My brother has been in visalus for 3 months, he’s currently a ND in the company, about to skip PD and jump to Ambassador this month. As for myself, I just broke RD in my first month.  We’ve been in Network Marketing back before cell phones came out, from selling long distance, to home supplies, etc.  Of course those companies never worked out, but as for Visalus, it is the real deal.  You can get healthy and Wealthy at the same time.  And if you can’t work with this company, then you must be dumber than rocks.  I had a 1.55 gpa and if I can do it, anybody can.  I also work full time at my other job working 50 hrs a week, which I don’t plan on doing much longer because I can help people get healthy and lose weight, and make some extra money with it.

Multi-level marketing is a business model where you pay for the opportunity to sell a company’s product and alienate your friends.Just The FactsMulti-level marketing is very much like a barely legal form of a pyramid scam
You will learn how to lose friends and scare people with high pressure MLM sales tactics

99% of consumers who join a MLM company never make a profit.
How it Works At one time or another, we have all been exposed to multi-level marketing although we may not have been aware of it at the time or may not recognize it by that term. There are thousands of different MLM schemes that exist today. They may offer different products, but the underlying business model remains the same: you pay a fee to become a distributor, gain access to product at wholesale pricing which you then sell to your friends and family.

The product is just a front for the real money-making potential, which is had by signing up other distributors below you and earning a commission on what they sell. The potential for earning money is virtually limitless; if you sign up six friends, and each of those friends sign up six more friends, and so on and so on, you could be earning serious cash – awesome right?

No one likes to feel they have made a mistake and endorsed a company they will later wish they hadn’t. or referred friends and family.

My first post here…I decided to do some research because a friend on Facebook is constantly hawking ViSalus stuff. It’s very annoying but I usually just ignore it…however, today she re-posted a testimonial from a customer who’s tachychardia has suddenly diminished because of ViSalus products!! Now that got me worried. Even on ViSalus’ own website they say this (in very small type):

*ViSalus™ products are not evaluated by the Food and
Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose,
treat, cure or prevent any disease.

Note: You should not take this product
if you are pregnant or lactating, or using blood thinning medication.
Please consult your physician prior to use.

Apart from all the anecdotal “evidence” that this stuff “will cure what ails ya” (snake oil anyone?) is there anything different from this MLM model than any of the others?? Sounds a lot like JavaFit, Amway, Herbalife, etc., to me…

I’m amazed that people constantly have to be educated as to what an MLM is and how it works. If you are not on the ground floor you will likely never make it rich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing

http://www.bbb.org/eastern-michigan/business-reviews/vitamins-and-food-supplements/visalus-sciences-in-troy-mi-5000435/

Check out our A rating. 

I can tell you that I started Bodybyvi after starting chemotherapy.  I was struggling with lethargy and have a 6 month old AND my husband is deployed. So, I needed something that would help! 4 days after starting my shakes, my headaches went away, I haven’t vomited since and I have more energy than before I had my child.  I haven’t lost an astronomical amount of weight, but I’ve only been doing it for 2 weeks now and wasn’t expecting to. I know better, I have a degree in health and physical education.  But, knowing that I have the energy to spend time with my child and take care of the way he deserves makes me a firm believer in this product.  I’d like to know what everyone else here who has something negative to say about ViSalus is doing to make money and live a healthier lifestyle.  

You must be selling another product and have decided to bad mouth ViSalus because I’ve been doing it for a week and have 8 clients already.  Everyone here wants it and I haven’t been able to put my phone down for more than an hour before someone else has a question about it.  If you need help, ask your upline…your success is their success.

They give outrageous testimonials that what ever they are selling will cure everything just to sell their stuff. That is what I don’t like about MLM they turn decent people into con men. They encourage each other and get together to come up with these stories. They end up in debt and wondering how it happened.

got a education got a good job eat healthy and exercise.

I think all the ex distributors and families of distibutors are to be commended for sharing their hard earned knowledge of MLMs and Visalus. I don’t it could not be easy. One thing that bothers me is the hostility that Visalus people have toward anyobe (including family and friends) who try to share their knowledge with them and warn them.  It is like they are so brainwashed that something is inside them. They blabber this same spill. It worries me that there maybe an occassion for violence if they snag the wrong person. It has happened. Why do they think that people who disagree with them who are only trying to help others from making the mistakes that they have made or seen up close made are haters, negative, are bad people making the world a bad place, losers, etc.  And that working for a living that you have prepared yourself for and enjoy and appreciate the benefits that having a job gives you is bad.  Something is not right.

Thanks Izzy, that is much appreciated. And you’re absolutely right: you’re either with them, or you’re their enemy.

When someone like myself, who has done the Visalus thing and knows what it’s really about, writes on a blog like this, all the pro-Visalus people say I couldn’t do it because it’s not in me to do it, or I don’t follow through, or that I’m just a bad salesman. The people who have never tried MLM  and write on this blog against MLM, the pro-Visalus people call them negative, lazy and uninformed. So there is no grey matter with MLMs: you’re with them or against them.

I’m so embarassed that I used to call people and tried to sell them Visalus products and tell them about the “opportunity”. I hate the fact that I wasted so much time on Visalus, but I’m happy I saw the light and don’t do it anymore. I enjoy writing on this blog, writing the truth about Visalus and MLM in general. I feel like I’m actually helping people, instead of ripping them off, as people do when they are part of an MLM.

I just purchased a Shape Kit from a Friend of a Friend, I have not desire to be a “distributor” but a great desire to jump start some weight loss. I could see right away the whole “earn money” scheme was similar to the old Amway pitch. I’ll be happy just to drop a couple extra pounds for my cruise in November. Thanks for the blog – reminds me not to believe everything I read on web sites…. loved the idea of a BMW tho!

Good for you for seeing through their “opportunity” and recognizing a typical MLM…if you want to save even more money, you can buy meal replacement shakes at the grocery store or health food store…you’d also save money on the shipping…plus, if you go on Visalus’ autoship, you will end up with more shake than you know what to do with…and, they will keep shipping it to you (and charging your credit card) until you tell them to stop (it’s not just for 90 days as they claim).

I wish you all the luck with your weight management and hope you have a great time (and body to match) on your cruise!

PS: The BMW is one of the things that sucked me in…keep doing what you’re doing and don’t fall for it like I did.

Don’t believe everything you hear on the Internet. People promoting their MLM are emotionally vested and are inclined to believe any positive thing they hear about their MLM. That’s just nature. So when anyone says something negative about it, they scream at the top of their lungs, not knowing that the “positives” may not be true.

Also know that the pro-Visalus people on this blog are either people who just started their MLM and are very emotional, or are the “leaders” at the top of their pyramid making money off the backs and failures of others. 

But how it must suck for ”leaders” when customers and distributors stop bying, that must be very stressful to a “leader”…that is why they work 24 hrs a day promoting and selling their products. I’d rather live My life than the Vi Life.

Here’s the list of the 10 things required to start a cult or a multi-level marking scam:

1. Charismatic leader

2. A good story

3. A good show

4. That first sucker

5. Bring on the testimonials

6. Swell the ranks

7. Give praise and succor to the believers

8. Defend assaults from outside with ambiguity, sweet talk and open arms.

9. Take checks to bank.

10. Laugh silently when no one else is around.
 
I thought  I would share these from another forum.

Keep up the good work. Because most of the people who fall for this are people who are desperate for money and/or have a poor body image which either way they come out the loser with they did not have it lose.  I bet you were a great salesman you write so intelligently and with such elegance. (not sure that is the right word)

The people who started Visalus had a pyramid long distance co that went belly up before they had this one and I am sure they will have something else after Visalus.  Your 1.5 gpa is showing (I would even mention that if I were you). I am not surpprised by that fact since you got involved with this stuff.  I would advise you and your brother to hold on to your real jobs because this Visalus stuff will come falling down on you.  Be very careful.

I like this very much.  You have them figured out with great humor.  Thanks for sharing.

You described a Ponzi scheme. This one has a product so it is a pyramid

I like that. So appropiate

You said you had 348 customers and 507 promotors so at least 159 of the promotors had no customers.  What about all the promotors that are not making much of anything you did n’t mention them. HUMMM

That was really not a positive post in your favor. Read the BBB disclaimer…

BBB AccreditationA BBB Accredited Business since 11/2/2007BBB has determined that ViSalus Sciences meets BBB accreditation standards, which include a commitment to make a good faith effort to resolve any consumer complaints. BBB Accredited Businesses pay a fee for accreditation review/monitoring and for support of BBB services to the public.BBB accreditation does not mean that the business’ products or services have been evaluated or endorsed by BBB, or that BBB has made a determination as to the business’ product quality or competency in performing services.All the BBB does is take a fee for registering with them, monitor if you have complaints or not, and it Does NOT rate products or quality. I mean how many people actually file a complaint with the BBB if they have a problem with a company. I have had problems with companies and didnt like their services and have NEVER filed a complaint with the BBB…As for the company itself. IT IS a pyramid scheme which offers a product. You can take ANY meal replacement shake replace it for two meals of your normal food and you will lose weight. Simple math people… if the shake is 300 calories after the milk, shake mix, fruit, etc you put into it. and your normal meal consits of 800-1000 calories… your under budget and you will drop weight… By the way, this is coming from a guy who is starting the Visalus “challenge” in the next couple days. i JUST signed up under my friend to ONLY buy the product. I am NOT going to sign up people under me, and I am not buying their resale $500 program. I did my research and it makes no sense. You might make a couple bucks in the begining, but the bottom falls out and you end up losing quickly.The only reason I bought it under my friend rather than just buying the pouches on eBay (which is actually a few bucks cheaper) is so I would help him out a little. I even told him I am going to cancel in 90 days. And the only reason why I am trying these shakes, is just because the product itself (not the MLM scheme) seems ok. For example, I tried slimfast shakes, and the sodium and sugars in that are astronomical. This Visalus shakes seem to be a little better. I reccomend NOT to sign up with the company for resale UNLESS you know you for sure can get 100 people to sign up for the $500 plan. I mean how many people can actually do that?? Dont bother…

I understand you wanting to help your friend, that is what they (the company) depends on using each one that they can con into it to get their friends and family.  You were smart to not get into the selling part. I don’t even know if buying it from your friend is good for him it is sort of enabling the company to take advantage of him. That is an iffy thing.  But I do know that you can find better and cheaper shakes at your drug, vitamin or grocery store.  Or even better eat healthy meals and get plenty of exercise and you will lose weight and keep it off. A lot of my friends have had success with Weight Watchers.

GM of a restuarant is that visalus talk for night manager at MacDonalds?

We have been involved with Vi for about 10 months. They have a sound business model. Quite a few “big names” available in stores started as MLM, door to door, direct sales, ect. All commission based. The hardest rank achievement to break is from the RD to ND position. We have had our BMW bonus since Feb (3 months after we got involved). I am not sure who your upline was, what type of support system you had from them, past experience in direct sales, ect. Therefore I cannot know what happened in your situation. The comp plan is very balanced with promoters spread from the bottom to the top at about 30% each. This isn’t found in many other direct sales opportunities. I wish you well with whatever you are doing now days.

I’m pro-Visalus and would NEVER say that other weight management systems don’t work, they just didn’t work for me! I have several friends and family who have had great sucsess on weight watchers, and nutra-system.  I’m not the kind of person that will shove something down someone’s throat to make a buck! If you want to try it, great, if you don’t, that’s fine too! And the whold BMW thing….YOU CAN BUY A USED BMW and they will still give you $600 a month even if your payment isn’t that much!!! I’ve been in this a while now, and I can honestly see everyones’ sides, but you can’t make up peoples’ minds for them, and just because it didn’t work for you, doesn’t mean it won’t work for someone else!!

Has anyone gotten sick once they stopped using visalus?  I have a friend that did the program for 4 months.  She reached her goal and then got busy and stopped doing the shakes.  Within a week she started feeling tired and her heart began racing.  Her blood sugar is up and down all over the place and she’s still wiped out almost 2 months later.  I keep trying to find anything about bad affects of this stuff but not having much luck.  You would think if people are getting sick it would be out on the net to find.

I never said it didn’t work for me…I did make some money…my biggest problem with Visalus is the big lie about earning so much money you will have more time to spend with your family…sorry, but promoting the product almost 24/7 and trying to maintain an build your downline, attending events, online work, social networking for leads and funneling, making tons of calls and trying to build your list, team calls and back office work……I think you see my point…the TIME it takes to do all that takes away the time I can spend with family and friends, and it just wasn’t worth it to me. Maybe it’s worth it to other people, but I think the TIME I spend with family and friends is far more valuable than trying to make a few bucks (especially at their expense).

I never said it didn’t work…I did make a few bucks…

…my biggest problem with Visalus is the big lie about earning so much money you will have time to spend with your family…sorry, but promoting the product almost 24/7 and trying to maintain an build your downline, attending events, online work, social networking for leads and funneling, making tons of calls and trying to build your list, team calls and back office work……I think you see my point…the TIME it takes to do all that takes away from the time I can spend with family and friends, and it just wasn’t worth it to me.

Maybe it’s worth it to other people, but I think the TIME I spend with family and friends is far more valuable than trying to make a few bucks (especially at their expense).

You are a True Pessimist and Don’t have a Clue what you are talking about. I have worked this business for the past 6 months  and grown steadily in a small low income county. I have almost earned a BMW in this company and the weight loss results among the people involve is absolutely amazing. First of all, my family and I have lost a total of nearly 100 pounds. This was the first product that allowed my mom and dad at age 62 and 61 to lose around 30+ pounds each… and best of all without exercise… Other friends have even reported a drop in sugar levels that has allowed them to come off insulin shots.. YES insulin shots!!! The product is amazing and best of all when followed as directed – works flawlessly!!! So, You are a NUT and have no idea what you are saying…. BTW – you are wrong about paying the $600 a month after you qualify if you don’t re-qualify the following month… You actually get two free months to continue getting the bonus and that usually keeps you there… Also, No one that I know of in my upline has ever lost the Bonus!!!

That’s great that you enjoy doing the MLM thing, you really seem to enjoy it. But you need to re-read my posts, because you’re making an argument where there’s none to be made. I’m simply stating, as I did in my last post, I think the TIME I spend with family and friends is far more valuable than trying to make a few bucks (especially at their expense).

As for the product itself, there are thousands of meal replacement shakes and vitamins like Visalus, and most of them can be purchased from your local health food/grocery store, at a much more reasonable price and no shipping charges.

Your “magic bullet” attitude toward Visalus products is alarming, but typical of MLMers… I’ve heard my upline say the same types of things as you at events, team calls, challenge parties…this type of talk is very common in MLM.

I also don’t remember saying anything about the $600 bonus either, so you are arguing with yourself on that one. BTW – I’m not the owner or moderator of this blog, just a simple guy expressing his thoughts on MLM.

@Rlitaker – That’s great that you enjoy doing the MLM thing, you really seem to enjoy it. But you need to re-read my posts, because you’re making an argument where there’s none to be made. I’m simply stating, as I did in my last post, I think the TIME I spend with family and friends is far more valuable than trying to make a few bucks (especially at their expense).As for the product itself, there are thousands of meal replacement shakes and vitamins like Visalus, and most of them can be purchased from your local health food/grocery store, at a much more reasonable price and no shipping charges.Your “magic bullet” attitude toward Visalus products is alarming, but typical of MLMers… I’ve heard my upline say the same types of things as you at events, team calls, challenge parties…this type of talk is very common in MLM.I also don’t remember saying anything about the $600 bonus either, so you are arguing with yourself on that one. BTW – I’m not the owner or moderator of this blog, just a simple guy expressing his thoughts on MLM.

ViSalus is a scam.. analyze the compensation scheme and apply some critical thinking skills.. All the growth is from getting suckers to buy distributorships..

I’ve done several MLM companies — USA Today just THIS WEEKEND calls Direct Selling the wave of the future — it’s really just relationship marketing.   I’ve made money with every network marketing opportunity I’ve ever jumped in to — usually breaking even within my first week, or less… and I’ve never had to force my friends and family to do it.  The people who complain about MLM.. usually do so because they didn’t have the skills or patience to do it.   As for me — I don’t need a job.  I can make far more doing this, with much less effort and time.   You just have to be a real person, and talk to people, and build relationships.   The people who pressure family, friends, etc., — or spam websites — are the ones who never succeed.   The difference with these companies is that they HAVE to have high quality product for the system to work — because the entire compensation plan depends upon loyalty of a customer base.  GNC actually has relatively low quality product — because they don’t have to market their product based on results.   Even before being involved in an MLM I knew I had to stay away from most store-bought protein shakes — the quality is simply lacking… they don’t market based on quality, but on ease of availability.   Network marketing companies HAVE to rise to the top in terms of quality AND results if they are to survive — bottom line.    Visalus is unique in that — if you ACTUALLY read the compensation plan — you can actually make just about as much by finding customers, as you can by recruiting promoters.  Unlike other opportunities, it actually allows customers to earn free products themselves — without ever being forced into a business.   In other words — the plan allows customers to be customers, and entrepreneurs to be entrepreneurs.   

All I wanted to do is look up a few facts about The product. Like if it works or not. I see that you along with a few others have some very negative things to say. My question is …does the product work? That’s all I want to know. I’m not interested in money, cars, or how someones sorry husband can’t buck up. Thing is you have winners and losers in life. Anyway question for you negative ones does it really help? Oh yeah one more question do you believe in God?

A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves promising participants payment, services or ideals, primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme or training them to take part, rather than supplying any real investment or sale of products or services to the public.This supplies a product or service. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_schemeBy your description, every company would be a pyramid scheme. 

Ryan I totally agree with you.  My wife and I have been “PROMOTING” the 90 day challenge for just over a year now.  We have Vi-tired from our jobs and everyday are helping more and more people, through better health physically and financially.  I was a former autoworker and we hit the top of the comp plan in 9 months.  We have helped over 60 people on our team qualify for a BMW and have helped 4 people earn a 6 figure/year income with many more on their way.  What a crazy idea to actually get paid for helping other people change their lives.  As for the whole “PYRAMID” thing, every business is a “PYRAMID”.  The people at the top (Owners, CEO’s, President) make the most money.  Someone asked Donald Trump what would he do if he could start all over again and he said that he would be a Network Marketer.  If this website is trying to promote “ENTREPRENEURSHIP”, you may want to look a little deeper into your facts before you post Visalus as a scam considering that the company is backed by Blyth which is owned by the Goergen family that have a Business school of entrepreneurship named after them.  It doesn’t really matter what business you are involved with or own or who you are employed by because the bottom line is that hard work, personal growth and dedication is what pays off in the end.  My family, friends and our children’s lives have forever been changed because of this opportunity.  It you don’t have a positive opinion of something that you honestly don’t know very much about, you should keep it to yourself.

I abslutely agree with your statement “It doesn’t really matter what business you are involved with or own or who you are employed by because the bottom line is that hard work, personal growth and dedication is what pays off in the end.”

Your “success story” is the same thing I used to hear from the top ernears at events, challenge parties, team calls…typical MLM hype to keep your downline motivated and attract new customers/distriutors.

As for your “pyramid” analogy, it does not apply to every business. What about government employees, and workers of large internatinal businesses. Their organizations’ charts certainly do not make a pyramid, but rather branch out several ways, and provide numerous services.

And I’m sorry, but anyone who becomes a Visalus distributor is not an entrpreneur or business owner. They have no control over the compensation, over the products, over events and team calls, over their downline, over the future of Visalus, no stake or ownershipof Visalus.

It’s unfortunate that you see my opinion as negative. I see it more as neutral, given that I used to be a distributor.

You are right as everyone has to work hard to make a living in this world.  But you are not helping people you are hurting them.  If all you did was sell the product I might buy that you actually thought that. But what your are selling is a get quick scheme and not every business is a pyramid, that is some more brain washing they have given you.  No other type business I know that is not a pyramid.  No other business requires you to recruit your own competition. No other business makes you require every month for your benefits and pay scale. No other business do they tell you to inflate your weight losses and others and to inflate your income.  No other business teach you how to trick,scam, and con other people.

I don’t agree with your thinking.  I think the products that MLM sell are of lower quality than you can find in stores. Simply because you have more of a choice.  I think they market it by MLM because they can not compete in the open market as far as quality and price.  Most are way over price for the quality of the product because they have to pay so many people.  The product is not what they are really trying to sell, it is distriborship (term used loosely here).  They recruit people to sell until they use up all their contacts then they are through.

I don’t agree with your thinking.  I think the products that MLM sell are of lower quality than you can find in stores. Simply because you have more of a choice.  I think they market it by MLM because they can not compete in the open market as far as quality and price.  Most are way over price for the quality of the product because they have to pay so many people.  The product is not what they are really trying to sell, it is distriborship (term used loosely here).  They recruit people to sell until they use up all their contacts then they are through.

I bet your upline would not tell you if they lost their bonus.  It is all smoke and mirrors.  Trying to make everything seem large than it is.  If you mother and father want to keep the weight off they need to exercise and eat health.  That is the only way to lose weight and keep it off.

I bet your upline would not tell you if they lost their bonus.  It is all smoke and mirrors.  Trying to make everything seem large than it is.  If you mother and father want to keep the weight off they need to exercise and eat health.  That is the only way to lose weight and keep it off.

How many 30% are in your 100%. The thing is MLM survive by getting people sucked in and them selling and sucking in their family and friends. Math tells you this will not last everyone runs out of people.  The company has made it’s money off of you (selling you samples and selling aids, web site etc. plus your minimum) and the other people you have suckered in. It plays out and they move on to other hunting grounds. And you are left with broken dreams.

LOL yea, I actually thought of it after I did it. By buying from him, I am enabling the company to take advantage of him… Its a phase, I know he will end up quitting the company in a few months time. Thats what happens with all of these types of companies. I just got the product in the mail today and I actually liked the taste of the shake. AGAIN, NOT GOING TO SELL. lol. But I dont know if I can have 2 meals a day/90 days of shakes, but I guess I will give it a try. I have tried quite a few shakes and this one tastes the best in my opinion. I have actually looked into weight watchers where they deliver the food to you, some time ago and a reason I never did it is because a lot of the items they cook with either have wine or pork in a lot of their meals and I cant have either (religious reasons). They might have changed recently, but that is what I remember from before. In addition to this 90 day shake binge… Im going to try and do p90x. Now that is a workout… I have only been able to get up to 3-4 weeks before I had some excuse to quit… Im hoping to finish it this time. Thanks for the advice.

Yeah you sound like you have a education…. “Got a education, got a good job???”

Any meal replacement will work for awhile. There are better and chaper ones out there. If you want to lose weight and keep it off I would suggest to eat healthy and exercise and you will get healthy and stay that way and yes I believe in god  and I don’t believe he wants us taking advantage of other people.

They asked what everyone is was doing to make money and live a helthier lifestyle. My answer to what I had done was step 1 I got and education  step 2 I got a job step 3 I eat healthy and I exercise.  I did know I had to spell it out for you.

The Weight Watchers I was refering to was the one on line that has a point system for the different foods and you count these points instead of calories.  They have a support group but I don’t think they supply any food.  I think there maybe a foods in the grocery with the Weight Watcher name on them put they are not required. Maybe you are thinking of NutriSystem, that stuff tastes like cardboard.

WOW, Visalis or not, what’s with the hate towards MLM? You assume that anything with more than 1 tier is an automatic scam? WRONG.
Not only have a few MLM programs changed my life in a very big way, but I was able to, and am to this day helping others.
I know next to nothing about Visalis, but one thing I CAN assure you is that the “average person” has a better chance at making money if they have a helpful upline. Sounds like some people here need to look up the definition of a pyramid scheme. Some of the world’s largest corporations have more than 1 tier, you’d be surprised. MLM and pyramid schemes are 2 totally different things. While there are a few MLM scams out there, there are WAY more scams that have nothing to do with MLM.

Here you go Bigb, the definition of pyramid scheme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme

So as you can see, MLM is just another way of saying pyramid scheme.

Visalus and other network marketers prefer to be called MLM instead of pyramid scheme. That’s like saying callgirl instead of whore.

LOL. Who is the idiot now?

I have not heard of anyone getting sick, except when they realized they had been scammed.  That makes you pretty sick.  Your friend should get to the doctor she may have reacted to some of the ingredients or not eating may have made her weak and subject to getting some kind of bug.

I would suggest anyone who is still interested in buying this product and not selling it should not fool with a distributor, because that is what they are out to convince you to do ,but go to Amazon.com or to the ear-nose ringing in your ear specialist that came up with it; Dr Seidman’s site, he sells it cheaper than you could get it from a distributor.

This product is the best thing on the market and helped me get off medications I’d been on for eight years. I thank God everyday I have Visalus.

I am often asked about the “lies” that MLM recruiters are guilty of perpetuating. Many very honest people take up MLM – including people who have “…never told a lie in their lives!” So, where are the lies?
 
The basic lie is that MLM gives all intending distributors an equal income opportunity. In practice, it does not.
 
New recruits do not know this. Many mid-term distributors do not know this. The upper echelon do know this.
 
By telling new recruits that there is an income opportunity for all, distributors perpetuate the lie, either knowingly or unknowingly.
 
The lie becomes truly sinister at the level of understanding where a distributor knows he or she is deliberately perpetuating the lie. It is at this point where the lie is driven by these people to evolve into an “understanding” that all who “fail” are simply not “good enough” to succeed. This lie is disseminated through the lower ranks from the moment they might choose to join. The challenge is thrown out to new recruits: “do the right thing or perish! But! – if you do the right thing you cannot help but succeed!!”
 
The fact is, it is impossible for all but a very few to succeed. The math and actual historical fact proves this.
 
New recruits and mid-term distributors are persuaded to “…do what successful people do (the “right thing”)” in order to succeed. The MLM experience aims to produce “clones” who do as they are told to do, at least until such time as their money is exhausted, and often enough, until their credit is also exhausted. From the very beginning of their MLM experience the “successful” upper echelon distributor emphasises recruiting as the way to success. This is true – recruiting is the only way to success in MLM. Consequently, nearly every new distributor commences a recruiting drive of some sort.
 
Effectively, these inexperienced recruits are driven to spend money to recruit. Most often, these same people are also driven to spend money on their own “how to succeed in MLM” education. In order to recruit profitably, a minimum product through-put is also most often required. It is during this period of hopeful enthusiasm that the MLM upper echelon profits wildly. A relatively small amount of money spent by each new distributor adds up to biilions of dollars world-wide. These billions, whether they are spent to recruit new people, to “educate” themselves or to buy product, serve to perpetuate the MLM “business” cycle.
 
Any and every statement that supports the contention that MLM is based on credible integrity is a lie.

Article by Peter A Blood, author of the ‘The MLMFile’, an authoritative guide to avoiding the pitfalls
inherent in the MLM marketing concept.

If this is the truth I am glad for you.  Visalus distributors ( term used loosely) have made so many outrageous claims and lied so much it is hard to believe anything anybody says about Visalus. MLM are the most destructive business form there is.

How did you get Visalus 2 years before it was started?

Read the article father down and it will say most people consider MLMs a pyramid and that lots of time they have a product so they can trick people. And to be legal (barely legal) they have to have a product.

Yes we all have choices to make and some of us make very bad ones.  I have in the past but this one is not going to be one of them. I do learn from my mistakes. I just hope others don’t have to learn the hard way.

You are a very intelligent person, so I want to ask you how does this company get such impressive intelligent people to fall for this.  The first time I heard about it I knew “no way” but I have had some life lessons that have taught me. I know using members of your family and your friends gives them the in track. But memebers of my family were recurited, they are highly educated ( I am talking doctors and masters degrees) people who should have known better.  They became like somebody else spilling the same outrageous claims. Combative to anyone that didn’t agree with them. They became like zoombies in some cult.  It was kind of amazing. So I was just wondering how did they do this.  If I didn’t know these people so well for so long I would think they went crazy.

I  knew almost nothing about MLM before Visalus. How did I get sucked in? From the lies I was told. The person who signed me up was a person I worked with (not at my current job). I was talking with him about retirement, and then out came his Visalus pitch. He was slick with it too, made it sound like it was the easiest way to make money, and lied about how much he was making. I attended a challenge party that had all the top earners there. I heard about a dozen “testimonials” from customers and distributors (probably shills) and watched a few videos.They had a couple of very influential motivational speakers and the BMW bonus was attractive too. At that time, I felt like I should be doing more for my family and thinking of my retirement, so that was my motivation for signing up. Anybody can fall for this, especially if they’re unfamiliar with MLM. Just flash some cash and a flashy car, listen to a few motivational speakers and you’d be surprised who will fall in the trap, it’s just human nature. As embarrassed as I am that I fell for it, at least I learned from my mistake, and can offer an informative opinion to those who ponder joining an MLM.
 
As for the guy who signed me up, we don’t talk anymore, as he’s still very involved with Visalus and very blinded by their MLM tactics and hype. He’s starting to become part of the NFL club (No Friends Left), because he’s revolved his life around Visalus. 

To the writer of this article, “cry me a river”  You remind me of a sports writer who never played the game or was burned because he couldn’t stand the pressure of competition.  Stay thirsty.

Many of you obviously aren’t prepared to be an entrepreneur. Hard work, perseverance & time is required to build almost ANY business which includes MLMs or Brick & Mortar ones. Most new entrepreneurs work 60-80 hour weeks when they’re doing it full-time. Doing it part time will usually add another 20 to 40 hours on top of their ‘regular’ full-time job.

Where does this time come from?? A lot of it (if not most) will come from your family time. The key is to do the work up-front (spend a lot of time & effort now) so that later, once your business is successful, you can scale back & reap the benefits of your labour.

Again, this applies to almost ANY new business venture. I own a brick & mortar Brand and Marketing Agency (Ad Agency) and regularly network with thousands of professionals, sales people & entrepreneurs. All of the successful ones are spending a lot of time at their business (and by successful, I mean their business is successful). They spend much more time aiming for success than your average employee will ever spend at their job. Of course they will – they have a vested interest in their own success.

The biggest problem with MLM’s & Network marketing is that they attract too many people who really just should remain as employees. The reality is that over time almost 40% of businesses will fail within the first 2 years. These are regular businesses, not the MLM variety. MLM businesses are higher than this (not sure of figure). People who are not cut out to be entrepreneurs are regularly brought on board. They are not prepared for the time & energy sacrifices necessary to succeed. It is also a lot easier to pull out of a business where you have had very little financial investment .. try spending a few hundred thousand dollars on a brick & mortar store, work 60+ hour weeks and see how quick you’d be to pull out when the market gets a little rough or you stub your toe. Very unlikely..

A very large problem with this is in how how certain promoters promote the business. They make it seem ‘too easy’ as if anybody can do it. Yes – some people do inflate claims & lie.. these are a small portion of the masses. The reality is that like any new business venture, it requires dedication & hard work – something that is mostly lacking amongst people in North America these days..

Success is filled with ups & downs, failures & successes. I would challenge you to find any massively successful business person who did not get there by a string of failures & hard work. Most of you are just not up for the challenge..

D.

Many of you obviously aren’t prepared to be an entrepreneur. Hard work,
perseverance & time is required to build almost ANY business which
includes MLMs or Brick & Mortar ones. Most new entrepreneurs work
60-80 hour weeks when they’re doing it full-time. Doing it part time
will usually add another 20 to 40 hours on top of their ‘regular’
full-time job.

Where does this time come from?? A lot of it (if
not most) will come from your family time. The key is to do the work
up-front (spend a lot of time & effort now) so that later, once your
business is successful, you can scale back & reap the benefits of
your labour.

Again, this applies to almost ANY new business
venture. I own a brick & mortar Brand and Marketing Agency (Ad
Agency) and regularly network with thousands of professionals, sales
people & entrepreneurs. All of the successful ones are spending a
lot of time at their business (and by successful, I mean their business
is successful). They spend much more time aiming for success than your
average employee will ever spend at their job. Of course they will –
they have a vested interest in their own success.

The biggest
problem with MLM’s & Network marketing is that they attract too many
people who really just should remain as employees. The reality is that
over time almost 40% of businesses will fail within the first 2 years.
These are regular businesses, not the MLM variety. MLM businesses are
higher than this (not sure of figure). People who are not cut out to be
entrepreneurs are regularly brought on board. They are not prepared for
the time & energy sacrifices necessary to succeed. It is also a lot
easier to pull out of a business where you have had very little
financial investment .. try spending a few hundred thousand dollars on a
brick & mortar store, work 60+ hour weeks and see how quick you’d
be to pull out when the market gets a little rough or you stub your toe.
Very unlikely..

A very large problem with this is in how how
certain promoters promote the business. They make it seem ‘too easy’ as
if anybody can do it. Yes – some people do inflate claims & lie..
these are a small portion of the masses. The reality is that like any
new business venture, it requires dedication & hard work – something
that is mostly lacking amongst people in North America these days..

Success
is filled with ups & downs, failures & successes. I would
challenge you to find any massively successful business person who did
not get there by a string of failures & hard work. Most of you are
just not up for the challenge..

D.

It’s rare enough to find men with personal charisma and business acumen at the top of the corporate tree in any industry. Many have acumen, unquestionably, but few have that glowing, attractive to all, charm and sincerity that bless the out-front leaders of MLM. Good looking people. Intelligent people. Impressive and influential people. Successful, forceful, wealthy people. In fact, perfect MLM people in what is for them a perfect MLM world. Enviably placed at the top of the tree in all respects.
 
Is it coincidental that these men are spell-binding public speakers? That their lives follow a perfect curve that touches on magnificent? Charitable and beneficent. Venerable and wise. Energetic and focused. Uplifting and guiding.
 
They espouse the best social values. They contribute openly to the needy and do other great works. They subscribe to the philosophy of “…beggar help thyself!” They would prefer to teach a hungry man to fish rather than simply give him a fish.
 
These extraordinary people. How did they manage to do all this?
 
Well, they chose MLM as their vehicle to riches and influence. So they own the fishing holes. And they sell the tickets.
 
As a result, each is privy to the data that shows exactly what contribution each of their disciples makes to the company coffers. You are not.
 
Each is privy to the data which shows exactly what each of those distributors has earned in return for their efforts. You are not.
 
Each is privy to the data that shows exactly why so few benefit so much from the efforts and contributions of so many, and why it is necessary for thousands of people to “fail” in order to produce just ONE big financial winner. You are not.
 
And each is aware that nobody who follows them can possibly earn what they themselves earn from the self-serving commercial systems they have in place.
 
So, even though you might think you know how things really work in MLM, should you just go right ahead and follow the path laid down by these perfect people?

Article by Peter A Blood, author of the ‘The MLMFile’, an authoritative guide to avoiding the pitfalls inherent in the MLM marketing concept.
File’, an authoritative guide to avoiding the pitfalls
inherent in the MLM marketing concept.

So you want to be an MLM icon?
 
It almost goes without saying that selling the “income opportunity” is the only possible path to wealth in MLM.
 
How can that be, you ask?
 
Well, let’s remove the “income opportunity” (read: “recruiting”) from any MLM for a moment and leave everything else in place. That would mean that anybody could be a distributor and be able to buy product direct from the company at wholesale pricing.
 
You are the first to approach the company to become a “re-seller”. You buy at wholesale and you may only sell at retail to others. In the ensuing weeks you sell product to 100 people, all of whom love it and decide that they too would like to become retailers. The company, anxious to expand, has no objection to this, but do you? Your repeat business has gone up in smoke and you now have 100 competitors in your service area, and you’re all looking for a retail customer base. All being equal, you now have less than 1% of your previous market to work with, no matter how big it was to begin with. For you to make the same money over again, you will have to find another 100 customers from less than 1% of the available market because now there’s a 100 others doing the same thing as you. Is this just cause for celebration on your part? No?
 
OK. Now let’s put the recruiting (“income opportunity”) step back in the equation.
 
You become the first distributor for an MLM. As above, you still retail to 100 people, but now you also recruit a 100 people. You’ll make millions a month forever! The 100 people you recruited have to do what you did so that they can also make money. They all do it. Suddenly, on your very next level, you have 10,000 distributors in your group who are retailing to 1,000,000 people, and you get a cut of all that action! Are you happy? You betcha!! Money! Money! Money! Do you CARE that you now have 10,100 competitors? Not as long as they keep making you money, you don’t! Right? **grin** You’re on your way to iconization.
 
But is EVERYBODY really happy?
 
What about the 10,000 new distributors who are searching in their turn for their 100 recruits and 100 retail people? To fullfill the need, the new level will have to consist of 1,000,000 new recruits with 100,000,000 retail customers between them. Now these 10,000 people want to make the same money that you do. You promised them they could, didn’t you? Difference is, each of them has 10,100 people competing with them in the marketplace (including you and your original 100 recruits). Whereas you had 100% of the marketplace to find your first line of people and your retail customers, each of these people has only 1/10,100th of the market you had to work with. (Don’t ask what the members of the next level have to contend with!)
 
Now this is where you can make the deal really interesting. Don’t tell anyone how many people have already signed up or where they live. Everyone will think that there’s still plenty of people out there and they’ll try harder! Far more sporting!. Take time out for yourself. It’ll be fun watching them all blundering about, crashing into each other in the newspaper ad columns and trying to work out new ways to beat the next guy to the next recruit or retail customer.
 
Now just how much of a good time do you want? More? OK. You could take a tour around your group to watch the less fortunate people spend more and more money! Urge them on. That’s fun. The best part though, is watching the disheartened actually lay down and cry. You get the opportunity to shake your head funereally and make it plain in asides to the other on-lookers in your group that these disheartened folk are really the weak, stupid and ignorant who were just not doing as they were told. Of course, if they had been doing as they were told, then they would be nearly as rich as you! Right? Of course!
 
The really, really, best part though, is watching the banks fore-closing on these really weak, stupid and ignorant silly buggers!! Hey! Told you this was gonna be FUN !!
 
Ain’t it just the best? Gettin’ RICH in MLM, I mean?
 
All you gotta do is sell the income opportunity – over and over and over again!
 
And there you are. An MLM icon!

I disagree with your statement “No other business make you requalify every month to recieve your benefits and pay scale”  Every single sales or so called customer service jobs out there make you qualify every month.  You think those people at the phone company or cable company would have jobs if they didn’t hit certain sales targets every month.  I can tell you first hand the answer is no.  Pretty much anyone who works in a call center must sign up or upsell a certain number of customers every month or they don’t get their bonus, if they miss targets for 2 or 3 months they are out the door.  This includes most inbound call centers, Cable, Phone, Online Banking, Hotel reservations if you can call them they HAVE sales targets.

Bottom line is some people are cut out for sales and some are not.

Ofcourse some people selling ViSalus are going to lie to you but that doesn’t mean everyone who sells it is like that.  When I worked at Bell Canada we had reps that would trick you into giving you thier cc number then ship you a “Free” cell phone.  Those people had good sales for a while but no retention.  There are idiots in every single line of busines out there. 

I have read most of the posts on this page & nearly everything of what I have read from the “haters” is true.

Never mind whether or not the product “works” or not.

Never mind that some initial residual income can be made.

Take a look at what will be lost if you decide to become a distributor:

1) Friends

The Visalus gods will “train” you to transform your personal facebook page into a selling tool.  You will have to constantly blast out your link, praying to god that someone clicks on it and joins so you can make your monthly goal.  Imagine if one of your friends asked you to buy their product, all day every day, you continue to tell them “no”, but they ask anyway?  Your true friends on facebook will diminish as people start to block and delete you.  You will not even notice, however, since you will be bombarded with friend requests from others in the business, so that they can all copy and paste each other’s facebook posts to use on their victims, err, I mean facebook friends.  And NEVER make the mistake of telling these people how you feel.  You will get ripped a new one similar to some of the comments made on this page by people you have been close with all your life.

2) Your Real Job

I have personally seen four of my close friends and family either lose or quit their jobs to take on this venture.  Visalus will convince you that you will make so much money by joining, that you will no longer need that “deadend job” with all those horrible things, like job security and benefits and such.  I have seen friends quit their jobs and go on state assistance for medical benefits to persue this “dream” as they call it.  They will brag about their weekly paychecks, but will never actually show you proof, since they don’t want you to know how little they make.

I have seen a friend lose their job, since their boss finally got tired of all the Visalus talk at work.

3) Your Integrity

Before you decide to take that “leap of faith” into this venture, look at the business model.  It will saturate.  Once it fully saturates, it will collapse.  Once it collapses, all the people you convinced to join will never trust you again.  Is this something you want?  Is it worth the money?

4) Common Sense

It is common to be skeptical before joining something like this, and it’s for a good reason.  Once people join, they get so suckered in that they somehow believe everything that they’re told.  I remember all these people bragging about how the CEO of this company was appearing on Dr. Phil.  Did it happen?  no.  Some people have even gone so far as to claim this product will help cure cancer and depression.  All I can saw is “wow”.  It is advertised as a cure-all so that it will appeal to as many people as possible.  The founders of this company have psychology degrees for a reason.  They are trained motivational speakers that will convince the biggest of skeptics and turn them into sheep in one sitting.

5) Money

Why do you think it costs money to join?  Part will go to Visalus, part will go to the team of people that brought you on.  Now that they got your money, you’re on your own.  If you have an ambitious upline, they will help you recruit people if they have their eye on the prize of getting that wonderful “free” BMW (don’t even get me started on that one.  Trust me, it’s not free, it’s a reimbursement program as long as you continue to make that monthly goal.  Do you really think you will make your monthly goal for the life of those car payments?  I promise you, you will not, and end up paying for it with all the “profits” you will make from selling the products.  At best, you will break even in the end).  You will tackle your close friends and family first, and then you will realize that you have no one left to sell to.  Then comes the interesting part.  You will have to travel all over the country starting up these “challenge parties” to recruit people.  Who pays for this?  You.  Who has the time for this?  People desperate to make this work.  Who gets the shaft from this?  Your family, your friends…all the people who have been there for you all along.  Suddenly they will not matter.  All that is important is that Ambassador level, so you can get that black jacket and brag to all your old friends and say “I told U so”, as this company trains people to think and say.  They will even have you use this as your licence plate.  It gets better, it is mandatory for you to pose in front of that black BMW using the “shocker” hand sign, so they can pimp you out for marketing purposes.  You have no choice in the matter.  You just sold yourself to the company and they can use your image however they like for as long as they like, even after you left them.

6) Your Health

This is something I’ve been witnessing that no one seems to talk about.  People who have been drinking these shakes for awhile now seem to be getting sick alot.  And I mean alot.  If you want to feel sick all the time, this is the product for you.  But, you’ll be losing weight, so I guess it’s ok.  You will experience constant diarrhea once you start taking this stuff, but you are trained that this is normal and that your body is somehow going through a detox process.  Really?  The human body is not meant to survive on a liquid diet.  What happens once you get off the stuff?  I’ll let you figure out that one on your own…not pretty.

7) Do you need any more reasons?

I feel so sad that some of my friends and family decided to go this route.  We no longer speak to each other, since I am labelled a “hater” with no ambition.  They claim they are an elite part of society and are entrepreneurs.  I think this point has been discussed in earlier posts, but these Visalus people refuse to see reality.  You have NO control over this company, you are NO entrepreneur.  

I’m sure I will be ripped apart here for making these comments, but it’s nothing I haven’t heard before.  At least be original and stop making the usual remarks on how Ryan Blair is a rags to riches story (thanks to his step-father funding the whole thing), and how it’s “working” for so many people.  Water and carrots work for losing weight, but not the best way to approach the problem.  Do you really want to drink these shakes for the rest of tour life?

And of course, I wish “Vitality” to you all. ;)

It’s my understanding that it’s been around for 7 years +

This is very well said and I find it quite sad that perhaps a slightly bias approach may have been put forth by a possible bad former experience. I haven’t been involved in the financial side of the company for very long but can add this.. I almost died in august of last year and needed 3 major surgeries to save my life. I started taking this product a few months ago and have lost 35 pounds so far and feel twenty years younger and don’t feel unhealthy in any way shape or form and my usual seasonal cold has somehow passed me by. 

In fact I ran out of product for a week between orders and felt like absolute crap! I was the same old tired and sluggy that I was before I started using Visalus to lose weight! 

Since starting this journey, I have seen friends that were bed ridden become pain free and start to live normal lives, a very close friend with fibromialgia <not sure if spelling is right, is now training for a marathon!

I have seen people lose weight, get in shape, dance, and enjoy life more then they have in years and heard testimony's from hundreds of others who say the same thing.. THIS WORKS!

Now. The marketing side of things, if you work for a company that you do sales for and the job comes with a car, usually thats based on your performance also isn't it? If you don't perform in your sales job, would they continue to keep you on. I think that the BMW and having to hit a target of production to continue to have that care paid for actually quite reasonable if it's true.. but what you also left out is you don't have to take the car, you can take the money instead although i don't believe it's the whole amount of the car payment but it's still a bonus that you can apply to perhaps your existing car payment!

Okay, so MLM has a bad rap.. isn't Amway a 40 year old company?.. and how old is Mary Kay and Avon? If MLM's delpete, how do some of these companies get so old? 

I could go on about this but i won't.. you have made yourself look silly enough!

I totally agree with you and have seen the same results in very close friends with MS, LUPUS, CHRONIC FATIGUE, FIBRO , MIGRAINES, ARTHRITIS, ANXIETY, DEPRESSION and more! It’s all over the net and you can find real testimonials from real people just by google searching the “90 day challenge”

By the way, my best friend earned his BMW in 42 days and I was there the whole time to watch it happen!

By the way his girlfriend who has fibro, chronic fatigue and was bed ridden three of the seven days a week with so much pain she couldn’t move is not training to run her first marathon. I know it’s true because I was there!

Oh, she’ll have her BMW this month, it’s been 3 1/2 months for her since Visalus!

LOL.. I meant to say now training to run a marathon.. never type in the dark :p

You hit the nail right on the head on that one. Everything you say is absolutely true. Great post!

I wrote this letter to my brother today and decided to share it with you people to enlighten you a little bit about one persons opinion being just that… ONE OPINION! and a tainted one at that!

Enjoy!
Dear Steve,I have to say as my brother, I wasn’t very impressed with you posting a negative article on my wall in 3 places without actually approaching me first or at least reading the entire article with the posts below it! Some of what he had to say is true although completely over inflated and twisted by a certainly bias opinion of a failed attempt at possibly trying to do the business himself. Yes distributors use their wall to get peoples interest in looking at the products, it’s social networking, almost everyone is doing it these days, but not every distributor hounds their friends and family! Case in point, I have never spoken to you about this yet!Not only do visalus distributors use their wall to communicate with their friends about their products, generate interest, leads or whatever you want to call it, but so do a ton of other people doing business, including facebook! Who charges for that advertising! I responded to a couple of the posts that were put up on that thread last night and took the time to read it very thoroughly and the things that i found that you did not are this :You need a real e-mail address to respond to any threads and it chooses the first part of the e-mail address as your screen name.. I found it quite interesting that almost all of the negative posts, in fact almost all of the posts in general were from the same person who ironically called himself ex-visalus distributor to make himself look like more then one person at first glance to the hundreds of people that will read his blog and never reply themselves so they will never catch on to that. You definitely didn’t! It’s also evident by the writing style in several consecutive posts which you may not have read far enough to pick up on yet, becsuae your opinion was tainted before you even found the blog! I don’t know, that is my opinion!The other thing is, half of what he says isn’t true. The commision pays out are on any dollar amount of sales! They don’t have to be over a certain volume as he stated and as for the car, if your job gave you a car to use and you were a salesman not producing you would be let go and the car taken back! Also, yes the commision resets the next month and builds back up throughought the month like any other business does as sales are put through, including recurring ones. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THEN DSC CHARGES IN YOUR BUSINESS FROM PACS GOING THROUGH EVERY MONTH!This company has to protect themselves as well, so why wouldn’t they put in some kind of structure to do that! I would! The other thing about this that is complete bull is that if the company that created this structure is called BLYTH which you may or may not know. Blyth is owned by the Goergon family which are billionaires. This company trains entrepreneurs in fact, they actually have a school called THE GOERGON SCHOOL OF ENTREPRENEURSHIP is world renowned! So if the guy that decided to write the article is a guy that represents entrepreneurs he’s not really all that intelligent a one himself or he would know that, he clearly hasn’t done his homework very well. There were a few other major flaws in what he has to say like for example if you earn a car as a bonus and the people under you continue to sell something that works <– lets take that works part for a minute because you aren't quite sure about it and that's fine, i'm not trying to turn you around on it just perhaps enlighten you with some knowledge because I assure you I have looked at this a lot longer and much more in depth then you have because you have a job and family etc and don't have the time and the energy to have looked at it as much as i have.. how can a business tap out of income that is constantly passive and continuing to build with people under you selling something that works to a market with a demand for it. Not everyone wants to have distributors under them, in fact you can earn the car withough anyone bleow you at all! Oh, that was another thing he forgot to mention in his article.Perhaps he is right! Maybe it will eventually slow down, but I have a really hard time seeing something slowing down that is actually helping so many people combat so many things when nothing else in the world is working the way this is.. As for health benefits, The only time I ever felt anything bad about this product is when I ran out of it and had less energy and was tired from shift work and getting up at 4:30 am to get to my other job!I strongly believe that the writer off this article probably really is an ex-visalus distributor, he seems to know enough about it to twist it all up and make a negative impression of it at first glance. I also don't think MLM's are for everyone, but the products distributed by them aren't necessarily bad products, look at Avon and Amway, how long have they been in business 40 plus years.. Hm.. they didn't fizzle out..??I also believe that on top of being an ex-visalus distributor, he's a lazy one at that and expected someone else to grow his business for him and he's pissed off that he paid for something and didn't get anywhere with it because he didn't try, but I'll betcha he got the hundreds of dollars in product that came with his distributorship, and I betcha he used them as well!I noticed that he said his family members quit their jobs to pursue this, he also never provided any proof that they were failing at it, and perhaps that pisses him off also! He probably hounded his friends and lost some of them and that's pissed him off as well.. by the way, I haven't approached you once!The people that I have talked to are open minded, want to be healthier, have health issues or might want a part time business and I am not pushing this on anyone, just presenting it and in fact, people are coming to me and asking me about it. I think like any business that you are doing, some certain amount of ethics should apply. These are mostly common sense and values. If your driving your friends nuts over and over with anything you will lose friends! What if I called you up every day over and over and over and said try Soy beens in your coffee, eventually you would get pissed off!Anyway, you can post whatever you want to your own wall, but before you start posting negative shit to mine, please think about what you're doing. I am interested in hearing what you have to say for sure and if the stuff you have to say is true, I'll post it myself! But don't go hurting my part time business and destroying my friends opinion of something because you allowed yourself to be tainted by one article written by a disgruntled dick head! How many other articles have you been able to find? Almost all of the ones BY THE HUNDREDS that I have found have been positive.By the way, I am in no way trying to turn you around on anything or slam you, you may even be very right in your opinions, but I am not so sure.. I am only trying to help you understand that your approach last night was damaging and irresponsible. Although I totally appreciate your concern and care about you because you are my brother, I would not have come at you directly like that with this if it was related to your business. It's just wrong and not the way to do things, especially when you already knew I was involved in it, you just didn't think!Steve there will always be someone with a negative opinion out there about everything! I can find hundreds of people if not thousands of people that have lost a great deal of money dealing in your business of selling mutual funds, but they never went out of business, and does that make your business bad? Not necessarily! Maybe they didn't do their business very well, and it;s like everything in life.. people have to put forth to get out! It doesn't just come in on it's own! 

I really like what you have to say and totally agree with you. Most tainted opinions are perhaps people that have been unprepared and failed themselves or watched someone they know fail themselves. I’ve had several businesses that have failed in the past, including an online webstore that I took hundreds and hundreds of hours of my time to put in and saw no returns. 

There are plenty examples of failed business adventures out there that don’t always include them being an MLM type of business!

People have to work at their business and in most cases very very hard to get them from ground floor and build them up. 

Bill gates did not become Microsoft from lies and deception and lack of hard work. There is a lot of work involved and values go along with that hard work. 

Don’t paint the picture that everyone in any certain type of business is a liar or a cheater, I assure they are NOT!

I just went there and had a look and he is selling a 

Balance kit for 52.99 and Visalus directly sells it for 49.00Shape kit for 103.99 and Visalus sells it for 99.00Transformation Kit 263.49 and Visalus sells it for 249.00

I completely disagree with you Elizzyp, I have seen far too many people getting healthy with these products over others and I have looked! In fact I have never used or seen anything with results like this ever and I myself am the biggest skeptic! 

I agree with you that MLM’s may not be for everybody and some of them are set up prroly and exhaust there potential, but I also believe that supply and demand still is in play like every business out there!

I think somewhere along the line you had a bad experience with a business choice and your opinion is your opinion! Not everyone is shady, not everyone is a liar, there are people out there that don’t run their business that way and I am one of them! 

Actually what he said was his mother and father couldn’t exercise and they lost the weight using this, so actually there is another way to lose weight then the old school way!

Although I also believe exercise is very important!

Building a business takes time, In some cases years!

let me ask you something… How long were you building your business?

Sounds like she might have an underlying health condition, she should consult a doctor. I’m actually a paramedic myself and a distributor of Visalus and haven’t heard of anyone getting sick by stopping the shakes yet. But irregular heart beat and sugar counts are concerns that should never be ignored! 

You have mentioned a few times now that you have made some money in your former distributorship, I am just wondering, how long did you stick with it before you gave up. Perhaps if you work harder for a while, you might have been able to reap the rewards later on and have had that time to spend with your family. 

No one so far with this company has told me it would be a cake walk! I have known from the beginning that I would have to work hard, like any other entrepreneurship business the onus is on you alone to make your business a success! 

It’s like any other business! Are you gonna buy a corner store and just leave the door open and hope people will come in buy stuff and leave the money on the counter for you.. of course not.. you need to be there.. you need to advertise and get your message out and you need to not rip people off with substandard product at inflated prices! 

I have seen people getting healthy with this so I know it works.. It’s under 2 bucks a shake so I know it’s less expensive then the average meal is.. 

and by the way.. you can earn the beamer without having distributors under you, it’s based on volume and if you work hard and have a good product you will have volume! 

That is awesome.. 

Some people are just bitter & misersable …. ALL THE TIME U ARE WASTING WRITING LNG AS RESPONSES YOU COULD BE SPENDING WITH YOUR FAMILY.. BUT. I GUESS GIVING SMART REMARKS AND BASHING THE COMPANY IS MORE IMPORTANT … YOU ARE SERIOUSLY HELPING!!! GIVING THEM FREE PROMO! #SHAME

He didn’t say they couldn’t exercise, he said they lodt without exercise.  I am sorry but I feel everything that Visalus people say are over inflated and not really true I have also saw this up close.

This is why I hate MLMs and Visalus in particular.  They cause trouble in families and with friends.  They brain wash into believing this is the greatest thing in the world when really it is just a outdated shake that is very over pricer that can not make it in the  market place so they have to get people to convince their friends and families that they should join in. In the end like all MLMs they fail because the success is in recruiting people whic everyone runs out of people.  Amway and Avon were success because they have so many different products and they DON’T depend on recruiting. They have a huge amount of reasonably priced products that everyone can afford and use. I feel so sad for you who turn so mean if anybody questions Visalus.  Your brother is just trying to help you.  He sees the dangers that you don’t.  Use your common sense and don’t get angery at your brother get angery at the company that is cheating you and causing family troubles.  By the way I have a close family member who is a salesman. He gets a new car every 80,0000 miles or 4 years.  It is leased or mowned by the company. He does not have to do anything, they furnish insurance, they get it licensed every year for him, and they give him a credit card for gas and maintanance.  He does not have sto sell any certain amount or qualify for it.   They will not take it away from him unless he leaves the company.  But of course he also gets paid for sick days, 401K, health Insurance. Life insurance. vacation, and a very handome salary that he can count on being there every two weeks.  Now that is a job.  Do not let this stuff break up your family.  Family is more important.  If you Visalus people  could hear yourself and realize how foolish you sound.  And you do have to have people under you to get the BMW look at the compensation schedule.  It is not a business Visalus doesn’t even recognize as a business associate. read your contract.

It seems like bitter and miserable people are the kind that Visalus attacts

Thank You so Much for your honesty.  How do they get away with all the claims with out being sued.  I know the company NEVER takes any responsibilty for or to their reps but someone should get sued.  I know of one distrbutors that says it is recommeded and prescribed by physcians.  This I know is a lie. I have asked several doctors.  They can recommend that you should lose weight but no method or product.  They can recommend that you could take a suplement ( not many do unless you are not eating) but cann’t recommend a brand. Just like they can say take cough suryp but do not tell you which brand.

I had a family member who told me People laughed at Micrsoft when it first started.  Do you even realize how foolish you sound.  Microsoft  come on.

You are so ridiculous. I can not believe they teach you to say these things.  That you all say it but do not seem to know how foolish you sound.

Think you so much for your honesty.  I am just praying they come to their senses soon and without to much damag.

No 6 years Before this scam they had a long distance scam that went bust, that is for everyone but them.

His is probably with free shipping.  On Amazon you don’t have to pay shipping. I heard they sell it on E-Bay.  Everybody sales it except stores.  Saturated. 

I have family that has been in sales for 35 years and he gets a company car ever 4 years or so.  He does not have to get it in his name, he does not have to worry about payments, taxes & licenses, gas or repairs, or upkeep. The company takes care of all that. He got that when he started the job and they will not take it away from him until leaves the company.  He also gets full benefit package and a very good check every two weeks.

I am not saying tah all ie or all companies are shady but I diffently from all I have seen up close is that this company is shady and this company encourages their rep to lie.

People that sell Visalus have illusions of grandour.  I have a distributorship, i have a business.. You have no business, you have no distributorship, you don’t even have a job.  You are trying to sucker people into to selling some worthless shake for a company that you have to pay, that does not recognize as an employee or that you represent their company.  They are jusst using you for the people you know and when they squeeze all of those contacts out of you, they are through with you. Escape form the CULT.

That’s right people did laugh, but you missed my point completely, I was stressing hard work to build a business..

If there is no shipping cost it is not a bad deal then. Let me ask you something, and this is legitimate because I really want to know, what other products are on the market that do what this product does that cost less, because I have lost 35 pounds in under 4 months and feel incredible energy so I know it works.. 

I’m not 100% on the multi level thing, because I know other companies have had serious problems as a result of multi level marketing, but believe in the products enough to sell them to my friends as I said I have had such great results myself. 

I don’t want a leased BMW that I will be on the hook for if I don’t produce, and I have a great job with full bennifits now, so this is a part time thing for me.

I have been told it’s based on production volume so you can still earn the beemer as long as you hit your monthly target or you can take 300 dollars cash every month instead. It’s right on the Visalus promotional video so it’s in plain view and it is my understanding you don’t need to sign any lease or have to choose the car. 

But mostly, since you know so much, I am interested in what products are cheaper on the market then this that will give the same results that I have been seeing daily. Also, just so you know I have a friend with fibro who now trains for a marathon. She was completely bed ridden half the week with chronic pain before Visalus. That story I know is true and not a lie told to me by someone I don’t know because I watched it for the last several years, the meds, the pain, the breakup with a best friend and the heartache of not having a normal life..

She is able to do things now and I watched the recovery happen. So I am asking you, if this is a cheap version of something else out there on the market, I would really like to know what it is.. Maybe I should be selling that one then..

Your rating goes down with each complaint that goes unresolved or at least that is my take on it is it not? Also, I believe that you can look to see how many unresolved complaints that are still outstanding!

Almost all major sales based businesses are designed in a pyramid form, not just MLM, having one person at the top, and working their way down to the reps or salespeople at the bottom.. and if the demand for supply is great and continues to influx the company hires more sales reps..

No, they just sell you ridiculously overpriced food like nutra system do they not?

PEOPLE ARE NOT DILUSIONAL, THAT’S AN INSULT AND WE’RE ALL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE HERE, SO PEOPLE SHOULD STOP SAYING THAT.

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. PERHAPS THEY JUST DON’T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YET! 

Would a rational person, abreast of the facts, go to work selling any product or service if he or she knew that there was an open agenda to overhire sales reps for the same products in the prospective territory?
What do you think? Is this a good “opportunity” or a recipe for collective disaster?
So, as the saying goes, “Get in early!” This is a rationalization on the level of “getting in early” on the L.A. looting riots. If profit from the sale of products is fundamentally set up to fail, then the only money to be had is to “loot” others by conning them while you have the chance. Don’t miss the “opportunity,” indeed!
Where is the money coming from for those at the top? From the sucker at the bottom… as in every pyramid scheme. The product could be, and lately has been, anything.
The important thing is to exploit people while the exploiting is good, if you want to make quick money at MLM.

You are so right.  Why I am thinking about it.  Who pays for all these trips to Meetings and all the booze, food, etc. at these things?  I was just wondering. I don’t want to ask anyone in my family I am afraid they would just lie about it.

You have drank the kool-aid and have been intitated into the cult.

And you miss my point.  It is inane to compare a MLM useless shake company to a company that revolutized the world.  That is delusional. Again you are selling useless shakers and distributorship( used loosely), you are conning people for as long as it will last, that is not a business.

You casn not earn the BMW without distributors under you and only 60% can come from any one of the three legs you have to have.

No they don’t sell you food.  They have a point system that teachs you the right food and portions to eat.  They have an on-line support system and it cost like $10 a month or something small. Or you can go to meetings for support.

Calm down Calm down The nice men in the white coats are coming.  Everything will be fine.

It’s all at your own expense, with the understanding that it’s all tax deductable - travel, hotels, meals…everything. Even the events themselves can cost anywhere from $10 to $40 a ticket. But hey, at least you can sample all the free shake you want at the events!

obviously you dont know what you are talking about,  I have been involved in Visalus for a good while and my sons have their bmw so I do know how that works.  The company is alot of things that people dont know about if you are not involved in it.

There again you dont know what you are talking about. Amway is a networking business like Avon, mary kay, jewerly businesses etc. Which requires you to have people in the business with you, which is great cause who would want to be in business alone. 

I’ve never heard of Visalus, until a Pastor friend of mine put a link on his fb page for it today.. I do however know Network Marketing or MLM as some call it very well. I’ve been involved in the industry for 6 years now and could share countless stories of people who succeeded (including myself) and loving life spending more time now with our families than with co-workers, building a life most wouldn’t believe.. and stories also of people who have failed or never tried and bad mouth the industry because of what they read on a site like this. I usually never give any attention to negative sites like these, however I will say this, I was a HUGE skeptic when first introduced to Network Marketing! I wanted to be a traditional business owner..but was at least willing to try and understand why I was skeptical in the first place. I learned people usually don’t like or don’t trust what they don’t understand. Pretty simple. After I post this I will not return to the site to see what you all have to say, not to be rude but frankly I don’t care =) Just had to write this for that one person who may read this wanting to give it a shot. If you’re going to do your research, look up these companies on the Better Business Bureau, not on sites like these. And remember.. the mind is like a parachute, it works best when opened. 

Apparently, it is difficult for gung-ho MLMers to see how they look from the outside. They can watch lifelong friendships unravel, churches and civic groups poisoned, the avoidance of friends and family, etc., and never see that MLM was the cause.
If you try to point this pathology out, you are treated as if you have attacked the very gospel! Perhaps for some, the MLM approach is a new gospel?
They will claim to have made “new friends,” most of which are MLMers or new acquaintances who could be considered “future prospects.” The shallowness of these “new friends,” the stilted conversations among the “old friends,” and the embarrassment, in general, for what seems clear to everyone but the MLMer go unnoticed. Callousness sets in; standards are lowered.
Of course, it could be pointed out that this might have happened anyway. Perhaps the die-hard MLMers would have ruined their friendships anyway in some other non-MLM business failure. Is the MLM really the cause, or just the vehicle?
Business failure of any type is traumatic on the relationships involved, but in most small businesses there is at least the chance of success. And this is never the case in an MLM, unless “success” can be defined as profiting off of the failures of others.
Non-MLM real-world businesses that offer products of interest to friends, family, etc., such as insurance agents and small retail shop owners, seem to be more circumspect in dealing with personal relationships in all but a few rare (and grievous) cases. But the MLMer is recognizable by duplicity of friendship overtures, overbearing glad-handing, full-time prospecting, outrageous initial deception, and social callousness. This is no accident, but rather sheer desperation. How could it be otherwise? For the active MLMer is in a hopeless bear trap: with hubris as one steel jaw and oversaturation the other.
And so the MLM relationship “bull” tramples through the relationship “china closet,” blindly ruining fragile and valuable things. Some never pull out of this, figuring the coldness they experience in their emotional lives is due to some other cause than their MLM participation.

It is sad that you have been burned so bad.  I will pray that some day you will not be so negative. No company is perfect, noone is perfect.  But we are having great success and amazing results with this one.  Now I will leave this site, because it is a waste of my precious time. 

maybe you didnt have the right people helping you cause you can earn a good amount of money without neglecting your family

maybe you didnt have the right people helping you cause you can earn a good amount of money without neglecting your family

I know they are but I said they don’t depend on recruiting. I have bought form Avon, Amway, and Mary Kay for years and not once has anyone asked me to sell it, I don’t think they would want the competition I wouldn’t if I was selling something.  Jewelry business I don’t know never bought anything from them.  Visalus the first I ever heard of it they were trying to get me to sell (you can get yours free if you just sell three other people) If I was selling something I would want to be in business alone.

I hope your sons continue to make their quota or they will not only have BMWs but will have BMW payments.

I know exactly what you are talking about and this is what sent me to this site and made me want to investigate what Visalus was all about.  Some of my close family members got into it and recurited others. When I told them I had never heard of Visalus but that I did not trust pyramid schemes they got really hateful with me and flew off the handle saying things that I would have never believed they  would say to me. Then another family member after the 90 day challenge hadn’t lost any weight and quit you would have thought that he had shot somebody, his own son wanted to kick him out of the family.  When I made the comment that it sounded like a cult, things really blew.  After constantingly trying to trick me in coming to a challenge party, they have connived, lied, and etc trying to get me involved in this.  Now I have been invited to Thanksgiving dinner.  I am not going as I am afraid it is another trick to get me involved in this stuff.  SAD………..They went to all these meetings and got drunk and got more brainwashed each time.

People think that if they say a Cop or a Pastor told me about it that makes it right……….no it doesn’t they are people too.  I was a skeptic after investigating and seeing it up close I am a bigger skiptic. Parachutes are like minds they don’t work when they are too open, stuff that is dangerous gets in and they crash.

Why keep all the things a secret from us.

And you will crash burn like all the other brainwashed cult members.

You must not be prepared either or you would have picked another business. MLM attract people who do not want to work hard they just want to play without taking any responsibilties that you have to take any other types of businesses.

I’m really sorry to hear about your experience. It’s a sad situation when families get torn apart by pyramid schemes.

Just know that your family members involved in Visalus are emotionally vested in their MLM. They’ve listened to many very influential people at these events and are blinded by the lies they’ve been told. They think that anyone who doesn’t believe in what they preach must either be crazy or a negative person. If only they could see themselves from the view of others…

You seem like a very understanding and patient person. Keep being patient with them; you’ll see, they’ll eventually see the light. If I were you, I would go to Thanksgiving, that way you are showing them that you haven’t completely shut them out, and you’re not about to let a little MLM company like Visalus ruin your relationships. And if it ends up being a challenge party, simply tell them that you’ve listened to their pitch and are not interested. If they’re going to shun you for that, continue being patient with them. When it all bottoms out on them, you will be there for them…not to tell them “I Told U So”, as Visalus clones would, but to let them know you still love them, that they did their best and that you’ll always be there for them.

PS: You must be Canadian (like me!)…Long Thanksgiving weekend coming up!

Let’s make this perfectly clear: I am NOT the owner or moderator of this blog. I’m just a simple guy expressing his thoughts on MLM.

No I wish I did live in Canada, at least for the next couple years. US politics are nasty and will get worse this year before the election. No this is our Thanksgiving in November. Time for things to change some. I Hope.

How sad to see so many people here that do not realize what a great product the Visalus shake meal replacement actually is.  Forget the MLM.  The product works!  My friends and I are healthier, loosing weight, have more energy.  This is the truth of the matter!  If some are making money on the MLM, so be it.  My friend has her BMW and has no problems with payments because she has so many sales – because, again, the product is awesome.  I have a liver disease and was spending hours and hours on the couch.  After just one week on the shakes, I have tremendous energy and am loosing inches and weight.  The product works!  Who cares how it is marketed.  At the least, the profits are going out to regular people and not a corporation.  In these times, what can be wrong with that?

You have drunk the kool-aid too.  If it has made a difference it may because you want it to.  The point is that the people making the money is the Company.  The money is not going to the people selling it.  You load anything with caffiene you will get energy from it.  Read the other blog were people who stay on it get sick. The money the sales people get are only for a while.  The product is cheap and the packaging is cheap, even the printing is cheap. No money going there.  If it could compete on quality and price in the open market it would be there.

Imagine that Wendy’s became suddenly possessed by the idea that “everyone needs to eat,” and opened four Wendy’s franchises on the four corners of an intersection in your neighborhood. Who would benefit from this folly? The consumer? Certainly not the franchises; they would all lose. Wendy’s corporate? Perhaps temporarily, by speculative inventory sales while the unfortunate franchises were under the delusion that they could all make money. But in the end, the negative image of four outlets dying a slow death would likely offset the temporary inventory sales bubble. Even the most unreflective of the hapless franchisees would think twice about doing business in such a manner again. This is why real-world distributorships and franchises are contractually protected by territory and/or market.
Again, the simple fact is that even the most successful products will have partial market penetration. The same is true for services. Demand and “market share” are finite, and to overestimate either is catastrophic.
So why are MLM promoters obscuring this? Who is in control of the supply “knob,” carefully and skillfully managing the size of the distribution channels, number of salespeople, inventory, etc., to insure the success of all involved in the business? The truth is chilling: nobody.
 Imagine trying to write a computer model of how MLMs work, and you will see this point most vividly. An MLM could never work, even in theory. Think about it.

Yawn… same tired burn out argument from someone who’s likely never achieved wealth in any business. Is there anyone here bashing mlm with any major wealth in their portfolio?  http://www.attractionmarketinginsider.com/mlms-get-slammed-by-ignorant-people/

No secret. just like other businesses, if you are not involved you dont see the big picture.  You have said alot of hateful things and alot of them untrue, but maybe you just dont understand.  Any business you get into there is always some problems, you be patient and work thru them if the business is worth it and this is.

Yes they are doing well, now my nephew just got his and my husband is next.  Great business that rewards you for your work and effort.

You sound like you got burned.  Im sorry but because you had a bad experience does not mean everything and everyone is bad with visalus.  I hope your outlook changes one day and you can move on.

Wondering if you have never been to a jewelry party pocketbook party etc during their presentation they always say if you are interested in the business please talk with me. and they also want you to have parties to help their business, nothing wrong with that, thats how networking works. And we do not talk to everyone about promoting the business.By not being in this alone we have a lot of people helping us and have made great friends.  I am self employed by trade and would much rather do visalus because of the great products and people than my other business..So as far as doing this as abusiness it is awesome.

There again you dont know what you are talking about

you are a sad individual that must hate life in general

That is just the type of judgement an mlmer would make. For most people, thankfully, the MLM experience usually ends in very quick financial failure and is then sidelined. Two possible responses are: 1) being embarrassed about participation, or 2) becoming even more intractable when the MLM has failed. You will find the latter chasing after the latest “get rich quick” scheme with similar results. “If we could have just sponsored so and so–they have so many friends–we would have made it.”
Thus, there is reason for the “bad taste” most people have for MLMs. By instinct if not experience or insight, we wince at the thought of what we know will follow in the wake of an MLM. Relationships strained, factions formed, deception, manipulation, greed, loss, a closet full of videotapes, brochures, and useless inventory that “everybody wants.”

I’ve been using the product for some time. I do have considerable amounts of energy. I sleep better. I am also much healthier. The product used for energy labeled “Neuro” has minimal amounts of caffeine. The reason it gives you a considerable amount of energy is the fact that it is rich in b vitamins, similar to a five hour energy supplement. The reason this product is so healthy for you is because it is full of almost every nutrient your body needs. Although, I would not consider it a meal replacement. Your body needs calories too anywhere from 1400 to 10000 depending who you are and the rate at which your metabolism burns fat. If you take this product for the weight loss factor, you will lose weight, but once you start eating normal food again the weight will come back quickly. I’d suggest taking this product for the nutritional value only and still eat normal food, just not as much. Also, I believe there are much cheaper ways of getting the same nutrition out there. I have a friend is a promoter and I only buy it once and a while to help him out. I consider this company a pyramid scheme…because that is exactly what it is.

hi!,

 I am reading all this and it confuses me. My wife and I started with Visalus 5 months ago. We are what you would call National Directors. When we started we had no expectations and just wanted to do something fun together. We decided to do this after seeing and researching it thoroughly. We tried the products. I lost 25 pounds in the first 60 days. My wife went from a size 8 to a 4. We invested about $1500 and have made $25,000 in addition to driving new cars. We have not felt any pressure from anyone from either side. The people using the products or promoting the products. Its a product that gives people nutrition they can not possibly get by eating correctly every day. That is why there are so many products in the stores. They all have benefits and you probably do not need them if you do everything correctly. That is the problem. Most people do not eat right or watch their eating habits. This just gives people a great alternative to help get a  kick start. If you really look at some of the stories it will blow you away. People losing 50 lb in 90 days, 100 pounds in 90-120 days. and still feeling healthy. People getting off of high blood pressure pills (my cousin). It changes their lives.  70% of the USA is over weight. These products help. If there are people that you know who have not had success, does that mean that the product, business model or company is wrong or bad? My wife and I have helped 10 people qualify for BMW’s in the past 4 months. Some will get a car and some will just take a reduced amount of cash. no harm done then. Once you understand the system and build like we did to maintain its not that hard either. We hit that level by the 5th of every month so we do not have to worry. Someone posted that people get sick. I guess that could possibly be true but I have not experienced that. But people can get sick from eating anything. I can tell you that this company has an 88% retention rate on people who start using the products. In closing, I just do not understand why people bash things so harshly. I guess its like buying a ford. Some people buy one and it gives them nothing but problems so they say all fords are bad. Not true but in their mind it is. We enjoy helping people and that is our motivation. If someone in my family, circle of friends, or business circles does not want to be part of it, I am not sure why that would cause me or them to no longer communicate. I can see people getting defensive when people have no idea what they are talking about yet act like they do.
Most of the time, the people that get mad or upset if they have been involved in this or other businesses are the ones who did not have any success, maybe the person that brought them in did not help them properly, or maybe they just were not meant for this type of business. All business are not for everyone that they are perfect for others. Most of the people that I have personally sponsored into this business have already got their initial investment back so if they decide to leave then they have not lost anything. 

Its all perception! We shied away from businesses for 20 years until this one and we feel we picked the right one. If the product and business model did not work a 1.6 billion dollar publicly traded company would not have invested into it. Also the company donates money, time, products and services to at risk kids, non profits, and contribute when disasters happen like in Missouri. If all that means that this is a bad company then you who do not know as much as you think you know should really dig a little deeper. Keep and open mind and give people the benefit of the doubt.

Oh, I forgot to mention. Getting the car is not a requirement. Most people will hold off until they have developed the consistency needed to maintain that car. That is called a smart business decision. You want to talk about scams. Corporate America is a scam. Banks are scams, the stock market is a scam because they control what most people do. We create jobs. Some people can do it and some can not. Just like everything else in the world. Why would anyone try to get into the NFL or NBA when less than 1% of all the playing people in existence ever get there? The people that make it are the ones that do not let anyone get in their way. They are willing to do whatever it takes regardless of what people say. People told Spudd Webb, Earl Boykins, Bugsy Mogues and Darren Sproles that they would never play professional sports but they have. Why?

We have been conditioned since childhood to go to school, go to college, get a job, work there for 30-40 years then retire. None of that is guaranteed either. Just ask the people who have PHD’s, MAster’s Degree’s and Law degrees who are unemployed and looking for work. 

I say, Do what makes you happy and don’t hate others for doing what they feel is right for them!

Do you even know what a pyramid is? Where you work is a pyramid. You are the foot soldiers, you are the ones who do all the work so management, middle management and upper management get paid all the big money. Do you realize that the gap is growing? Middle Class America is disappearing because they are working people harder so the corporations can keep all the money for themselves? Our government is a pyramid. I have people that I personally sponsored into Visalus that have eclipsed my income level. If it was truly a pyramid then that could not happen.

PYRAMID example

                            CEO/OWNER

     Executive #1        Executive #2         Executive #3

Middle Mgr #1 Middle Mgr #2 Middle Mgr #3 Middle Mgr #4

then a much of hourly employees who do all the work only for the 8 people above them get all the pay!

You work in a pyramid every day UNLESS you are self employed and can duplicate yourself!

Thank you!

Oh, and 40,000 people joined in July, 60,000 in August and 80,000 people did in September. Do you think that growth would happen if it was not working? An 88% of those people will continue to use the products. 

We have been FEATURED in the USA Today, The Wall Street Journal, AND Success from Home magazine. 

ALL POSITIVE articles. 

Chernobyl had a control system that failed. MLMs have no control mechanisms at all. Where is the “switch” that can be flipped in an MLM when enough sales people are hired? In a normal company a manager says, “We have enough, let’s stop hiring people at this point.” But in an MLM, there is no way to do this. An MLM is a human “churning” machine with no “off button.” Out of control by design, its gears will grind up the money, time, credibility, and entrepreneurial energy of well-meaning people who joined merely to supplement their income. Better to just steer clear of this monster to begin with. There is simply no way to avoid the built-in failure mechanism of MLMs. If a company chooses to market this way, it will eventually “hire” (with no base pay and charging to join) far too many people.
Thus, the only “control system” will be the inevitable losses and subsequent bad image the MLM company will gain after it does what it was designed to do: fail. And sooner or later we have got to stop blaming this particular MLM company or that, and admit that the MLM technique itself is fundamentally flawed.  
For most MLMs, the product is really a mere diversion from the real profit-making dynamic. To anyone familiar with MLMs, the previous discussion (which focused so much on the fact that MLMs are “doomed by design” to reach market saturation and thus put the people who are legitimately trying to sell the product into a difficult situation) may seem to miss the point. The product or service may well be good, and it might oversaturate at some point, but let’s get serious. The product is not the incentive to join an MLM. Otherwise people might have shown an interest in selling this particular product or service before in the real world. The product is the excuse to attempt to legitimate the real money-making engine. It’s “the cover.”
Intuitively, we all know what is really going on with MLMs. Just don’t use the word “pyramid”!
“You see, if you can convince ten people that everyone needs this product or service, even though they aren’t buying similar products available in the market, and they can convince ten people, and so on, that’s how you make the real money. And as long as you sell to a few people along the way, it is all legal.” Maybe…
But the way to make money in all this is clearly not by only selling product, otherwise you might have shown an interest in it before, through conventional market opportunities. No, the “hook” is selling others on selling others on “the dream.”

Are you sure that you aren’t someone who TRIED to sell this stuff and was unsuccessful?  You sure sound angry!  LOL  

You do not know what a pyramid is. all business is not a pyramid.  That is part of the lies they tell you. You are truly brainwashed.

You are just proving the over saturation. I would not bet one the 88% of retention that is another of the lies to brainwash.

I have not said anything hateful only truth,  I have no hate in me.  I do get very upset about people getting taken advantage of. You feel like you have to speak out against wrong and warn people.  I am not trying to be hateful. I am trying to help someone.

True Story………

There once were two young con men, one had dropped out of high school, that wanted to become very rich.  One of them had a stepfather who had become rich in real estate. The rich stepfather backed the two young con men to start an MLM getting people to sell long distance service.  This long distance service was outdated and not very good.  But that didn’t matter what they were really selling was the chance to make money.  The long distance company went under but the two young con men made a quite a bit of money.  Alas no one else did. The two young men decided to take their money they made on the long distance scam and do a bigger and better one. After all they had learned so much. So they started looking around for a product.  They realized that the weight lost industry was booming. They said thats what we need to get into. They met Dr Stieman, a ear-nose doctor (used lightly quack may have been better) who was specializing in herbal treatment of ringing in the ear.  He had developed the mix. The two young con men said great just what we need. We can take advantage of peoples greed and their poor self body image. We can even give them a way to justify it by telling them thay are helping people.  We will tell them that it cures everything, they won’t know the difference they’ll be dreaming of the money they will make, no body cares about the product any way so it doesn’t matter what form it comes in or how it is packaged as long as it is cheap to make. They had their product and their form of business model MLM of course.  Now their market they figured out should be young people for the most part, they will not have the life experences to know this is a scam WE will target people who don’t have a job/doesnt want a job or doesn’t like the work they do/doesn’t want to work.  Everybody likes a rebel so we will make them feel like they are rebeling against the establishment who are all pyramids anyway.  That working a regular job are for losers. They give out titles to make these people feel important because they probably have never held a job with any reponsibilitites or titles.  When the bright young con men didn’t make enough they threw in a BMW. They make people feel important by telling them they are a distribtor, self employeed, a business owner.  They have plenty of meetings to keep people brainwashed. They tell you that only the lazy and dumb fell.  Anyone who tries to tell you the truth are dream killers, ignorant, haters, etc.  But the best thing about this business for the two young men who are making millions.  The company has no responsibility for these people, they have them sign that they know they are not an employee, representative, you have not been asked to sell and have not been asked to ask anyone else to sell, that if you run into any legal matters the company does not furnish you with a lawyer.  So you choose to lie ( they suggest you make your sales and weight loss so great.  You tell everyone how it cures everything. But it is not for everyone in case they try to come back on you. They have you work on your family and friend’s desperation to make life better for their families, their bad body image, and give them the justification of your helping people.  The market gets saturated with the product that is sold everywhere put in stores the people with illusions that they have a business,etc, that they are helping people, that they have a successful title ( ever wonder why they come so quick (it motivates you)  it all comes crashing down But the two young con men who never recognized these people as employees of their company have made millions and will go on to new adventures and new MLMs.  This has been the story of Visalus

I have never been to a jewelry or pocketbook party so I can not say anthing about them but they certainly sound like a pyramid also. But do they depend on recruiting? That is the question it also sounds like this may be like Avon a pyramid but not depending on recurits but sales. My proplem is with pyramids that depend on recuriting and making false claims about sales, weight loss, cures etc.  Amway has had charges brought against them and been convicted. But I don’t think they are so blantant as Visalus.

Ther again I do know what I am talking about.

There is more ways than one to scam a scholl would be a good one.

No I hsave never tried to sell this stuff but you don’t have to get burned to know fire is hot. I am not angry except at injustice. People taking advantage of other people.

I love life and I love my fellow man and do not like to see them hurt easch other out of greed.

Here is my main concern with the Visalus since I’ve encountered the product through a couple of friends who are new reps.  This company seems to purport through its’ reps the claim that these product cure almost anything.  Having been in the supplement industry for quite awhile I am deeply suspicious of anything that has artificial ingredients, is not organic and does not say where or how the ingredients are sourced.  I also think replacing two meals a day with a shake is a shock to the body and although will almost certainly produce weight loss will more than likely strain the liver and the kidneys unduly.  Has anyone studied the long term effects?  Do they use milk that has been RGBST treated for their shakes, I think women should be very concerned about this in particular. Has anyone even mentioned that nutrition is a highly individual and specialized science which cannot be meted out through one cure all product?  What may cure one person may kill another.  And what happens to the reps who are not qualified to make nutritional prescriptions for their clients when someone does actually die from this product who is going to get sued?  I’ll bet that it will not be the company.  I’m also not liking that when I see my friends now all they talk about is this product, they are always investing money to go to some new meeting for some more brainwashing.  I could tell they were very unhappy when I chose not to be their rep or their customer and I try to avoid saying how very scary i think this whole deal is because I don’t want to crush anyone’s dream and honestly at this point I don’t think they would listen to a word I say…Thank you for giving me the opportunty to vent.

You are a very intelligent person and so right about everything you said and the company doesn’t even reognize them as reps and takes no responsibility for anything. You are right to be scared.  I doubt if your friends would listen it is like a cult they do not hear a word.

You are my source for all things Visalus. Question If someone becomes Ambassador and gets $25,000. I know they get it paid over two years. What I am wondering is during that 2 years if they fall below Ambassador or quite do they still get the pay out? Just wondering.

I would not recomend any shake diet and I would never recommend a MLM as a income maker.  Both of these are designed for failure.  As everyone knows when you lose weight this way when you stop you gain it all back.  MLM is set up to fail when the market gets saturated. If you want to find other shakes simply go to your grocery, drug, or vitamin store.  If you want an extra income I would suggest getting a regular part time job.

What is sad is that you don’t realize how you are being used. It is your time and money that you are giving to a company that doesn’t even recognize you as an employee. You had to pay them to let you sell their product. You spend your money on gas and etc to have the challange parties and go to the meetings for them to keep you brainwashed.  They do not but any requirements on the quality or quantity of the people who sell their product. They encourage you to recruit your customers as your competition.  They do not safe guard your territory. You have to sign the lease for your car and when the market in your area has become saturatied and you cannot recruit anyone else and everybody has taken this stuff till they are sick of it. This is a product that claims to be the cure all ,have everything in it. But then you come back and say oh, by whe way you should really take this appitete suppresant and these vitamins and ad ins and etc. It gets too expensive for most people. You have spent money on the promo and there is no one else to give it to.  You start losing business, you spend more money on parties, and etc.soon you are in the hole and by the way you also have car payments Oh Joy! But the company has sold you and all of your ex-friends and family so they don’t care.

I am the owner of a $28 Million a year company.  I think if you can find a way to make a great living, go for it, but selling a pipe dream that has no hope of being around in 10 years, is immoral and should be illegal.  I know a lot of people on this “train”, it WILL stop and everyone will have to get off.  The issue I have is that the same people that push this product are the same people that brought Team National, and some kind of energy drink (in my state anyway) as the new thing.  They are from “apparent wealth” and people follow them like lost puppies. They have had tremendous success with the “Body by Vi” product, but when this goes bust in our area, it will bust big. Slow and steady is the way of the wise person, don’t quit your day jobs.
 

Bottom Line
If you want to be a MLM founders here is how you do it.
First you must realize that your aim is to blizzard the world with as much of your product as you can as fast as you can, then grab all you can and run. Don’t worry about any long term relationships or customer loyalty.
Second Get a simple cheaply made product, one developed by someone else is best , you don’t want anything slowing you down when it is time to run.  One that no one would actually go into a store and pick out to buy.  It would have to be forced on you by a friend with big promises and outlandish claims before you would ever buy it. You don’t want the time and expense of patents, USDA approval or any of that foolishness. If you make it with common ingrediants in a common way than there is no patent.
Third You want to keep your expenses and exposure to a minium So you do not want any more employees than you have to have because that would mean you would have to take some responsibilty for them. We don’t want any expense for employee taxs, benefits, or etc. The best way to get around this is make them pay $500 or $1000 to sell, that’s a windfall right there, next make them pay for all distributing expenses like advertising , gas, meeting expenses, samples, etc.  That way we not only don’t have to pay for it but we can charge them for it. We are on our way. To make it even better lets make them buy a certain amount each month.
Fourth we have to understand human nature and make the most of it. Greed lets play to the greed factor (although for most I feel it is just a need to try to do better for their families and themself) lets promise they can make all this money. We will make them feel like the greed is alright because they are helping people We can blow up the potential. People want to feel important lets give them big Titles that they have to qualify for every month, we want to keep them busy. They will be so embarrassed after bragging about their title that they will not want to lose it. We will also give them some feeling of self importance by telling them that they are bussiness owners, self employed, own distributorships, contractors. This will make them feel inmportant and keep them in there longer paying us the money and not worry about having a job.  We can charge for all kinds of extras web sites, training, etc. We’ll have monthly brainwashing sessions and have them come from every where and they’ll pay for it.  We’ll all get drunk and pat each other on the back. We will teach them every dirty trick in the book to use on their friends and families.  Everyone wants to think they belong to an elite group. That’ll keep’em going and paying us.And to keep them in it longer we’ll tell them that they can get something wonderful free (Maybe a BMW) but they have to get it theirself and they have to keep out there paying us and qualifing for payments to the wonderful free thing. If they don’t make it will cost us nothing and no responsibility or exposure to us. Its their baby. We will make it so they will find us new victims to stay in the game and the victims will finds us some too and so on. And everyone will be paying us until there is no  one left. Then we will take our toys and run. Of course all the other good people will be falling off and new ones taking their place. All the time paying us and selling the product. And when it is all over we’ll just tell the poor fools you are just a loser and it is your fault you didn’t make it. Somepeople were just never meant to be business owners but employees.  The people that critize us are just ignorant of our business, are haters and are negative about life.

This hater mentality is what is killing our world!! It it’s NOT for you, than dont look at it.If you dont like whats on this or that channel,change it.If you dont like BMW’S,go buy something else. All this Visalus bashing,Why? Because it doesnt make sense to YOU! Look at fast food Giants or the Bevergae industry with there “high frutcose corn crap”. They are killing those who buy there products.We dont go around bashing them.Instead we go around EDUCATING people about the dangers of unhealthy eating and offer them a healthy alternative. If its not for YOU, then why are you on a place like this bashing when you should be doing whatever it is that YOU love!!!

First of all, the author is outright lying to you readers.  First off, he states very few people get the BMW, and that it takes forever to do it…wrong!!  How is that my RD got hers in 7 mths, and how is it that her mother got hers in 6, and how is it that another got his in 8????  It is not hard…does it fall in your lap..NO, you have to work at it, like any job.  But it is still easy…you just tell people about a great product that they can see working in you…I have been on it for 30 days and lost 16lbs!!  I feel amazing, and as a distributor, I have recieved two paychecks…of course I am not ready to quit my day job just yet, but with just a mth in it, I am sure that in a year, I will match my income.  Think about it, if you do nothing in a year, you will be exactly where you are today…so if you are ambitituous and want to be healthy and help others do the same…this is the best company to work for.   

SOunds like you have a crappy family…but if you want to blame it on Visalus, then I suppose thats your choice!!  Don’t blame a company for your families problems!!

I am thinking you are the one that is brainwashed…you obviously do not know what a pyramid is.  With Visalus, if your upline struggles, then you can surpass them if you do better than them…you don’t have to worry about them doing well for you to do well.  It’s not that big of a deal..either take it or leave it..your choice.  I can see the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Booze is not a typicak part of a challenge party.  Healthy eating and a helathy lifestyle does not include booze…once againyour facts are wrong.  If your family has done it that way, then they are doing it wrong.

You are clearly the only bitter person here.  I am not a distributor, but the shakes have changed my life as far as health goes, and my husband who is a diabetic has been taken off of insulin due to his weight loss with the shakes, our Dr. has nothing but praise for his new diet..and you know what..I get my shakes for free…so no $$ lost here, just a better life.  It’s not brainwashing, the proof is in the pudding, I am healthier than I have been in years…did I mention, for free??  It is a good product, it tastes great, I get to eat what I want during the day in moderation, and my skin looks amazing.  =)

say Dr. Elizzyp…lol

I also work for a car company…and you can’t compare apples to oranges.  Car companies have special insurance for their demos, and for their employees, and some will even pay for them, and some will make half the car payment etc…it’s not anything like the Bimmer club. 

I also work for a car company…and you can’t compare apples to oranges.  Car companies have special insurance for their demos, and for their employees, and some will even pay for them, and some will make half the car payment etc…it’s not anything like the Bimmer club. 

I also work for a car company…and you can’t compare apples to oranges.  Car companies have special insurance for their demos, and for their employees, and some will even pay for them, and some will make half the car payment etc…it’s not anything like the Bimmer club. 

losing weight is 80% what you put in your mouth and 20% excercise….fact

losing weight is 80% what you put in your mouth and 20% excercise….fact

losing weight is 80% what you put in your mouth and 20% excercise….fact

You keep saying that while on Vi you don’t eat…but that is sooo not true.  I eat throughout the day, I have two good and healthy high in protein snacks, and a good and healthy meal, and have two shakes a day!!  I eat, I eat well, I have energy, I feel great…stop lying!

I make close to 60k a year…so I am not desperate for money, and I did want to lose weight, and I have.  Thanks Visalus for helping me to start living a healthier lifestyle. 

rude

weight watchers does sell food…It is in the frozen section…right next to the other delicious tv dinners..lmao…plus counting points does not work for everyone…and you have to pay to weigh..what kind of mess is that???  Weight watchers, nutri system..etc..all have peoples best interests in mind..they want to help people get healthy..same with Visalus.  It’s not different as far as that is concerned. 

^^^ what he said! 

rude…again

Love this!

quick question….is the drink ALL you take during the day?  Do they promote exercise or proper food diet?  cuz…i have a cousin who’s husband is selling this stuff and he posts that he’s having a ( insert flavor here) shake all the time.  It’s kind of annoying to see all his status updates actually.  same with hers cuz all they talk about is the new people they’ve recruited and what they’re drinking..  OH and is it safe for pregnant women?

Folks, this is what I know…. I am an 39 year old female. I am a certified personal trainer and I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis & Rheumatoid arthritis 8 months ago. It took nearly 18 months of nearly dabilitating symptoms to be diagnosed. Additionally I gained 52lbs and sank into a deep depression.  The answer ofcourse was to fill me with countless prescription drugs that make me feel worse most times than the symptoms and I have seen no results from any of them. I have been on Visalus for 14 days and I have stopped taking 3 of the meds. Not only am I waking up in the morning with far less pain I have felt well enough to get back in the gym. As a personal trainer I am familar & have tried all the supplements our there that you can imagine. None of which have shown the results that I have seen with Visalus. I have lost 8lbs. in 14 days! I took this product to my doctor who sits on the board of one of the top 50 hospitals in the US and he is so convinced in this product that he is pushing to have products such as boost etc replaced with Visalus. Now, is this business a “pyramid”..I could care less. The prodcut WORKS and I am living proof of it. You can’t will MS & RA away believe me if you could I would have long ago. So those of you that are going to say ”your attitude changed etc and that is why you feel better”. That’s BS. The only thing that has changed is that I started on Visalus! Is Visalus the miracle cure? Is it going to make MS & RA go away? No, probably not..but I feel better and that is all that matters. Money, BMW’s….who cares!!! I FEEL better…

You are SOOOOOO clueless!!  Honestly.  First off, I got my product FREE in 11 days, my husband got his FREE in 5 days.  I made a paycheck the very first week in Visalus and yes I promote the challenge and am VERY proud of it.  Second, Primarica does NOT sell bogus services, you are full of it.  They are listed on the stock exchange and go through insurance commissions so you need to watch what you say about them too.  You are so misinformed that is is crazy!! Quite honestly did you get permission to use the logo’s and pics you are using? A response to someone like you is a waste of cyberspace! 

Go eat your fast food and get a clue!!  In fact go eat a lot of it, let’s see who is here longer?? 

Summary of What’s Wrong With Multi-Level Marketing

MLMs are “doomed by design”
to recruit too many salespeople, who in turn will then attempt to
recruit even more salespeople, ad infinitum. For
many, the real attraction of involvement in multi-level marketing is
the thinly veiled pyramid con-scheme made quasi-legal by the presence of
a product or service. The
ethical concessions necessary to be “successful” in many MLM companies
are stark and difficult to deal with for most people. Friends and family should be treated as such, and not as “marks” for exploitation.When
it comes to selling product, MLM sales reps are probably no more
aggressive or obnoxious than ordinary salespeople. Since most are not
salespeople by nature, and it is characteristic that MLMs attract
few people with any experience selling this particular product or
service, they usually sell through pre-fab “parties” or home “demos.”
Thus, sales pressure is exerted by situation, if at all.

It should be noted that
when selling product, the only distinction from a real-world business is
the possibility for deception due to the “looseness” of the MLM and the
incentive to exaggerate claims without
any accountability. Other than this, selling product in an MLM is fairly
similar to selling any product in the real world.

But when it comes to
getting you “signed up” as a “distributor,” the MLMers get pushy and
deceptive beyond the boundaries of polite social norms.

Remember, an MLM is defined by its rewarding people to recruit others in multiple levels. Many
have left high-paying jobs to “pursue their dreams” in an MLM. Having
been conned so dramatically, they do not easily admit defeat. It seems
easier to cling to the bad dream in an increasing cycle of desperation
to make the MLM work against all odds. “Losers” at the bottom congregate
into support groups, perhaps spinning-off another MLM where they can be
“boss.”

There is an undeniable
camaraderie among MLMers. But for everyone else, “there goes the
neighborhood.” It is saddening to see people being encouraged against
all instinct and common sense to chase after an
illusory “pot of gold,” but what can be done?

That is wonderful news about your health. But your magic bullet attitude toward Visalus products is alarming. If you are a certified personal trainer, then you of all people should know that everyone is made different, and what might work for one person may not work or the other.

REALLY?  What company did you promote?  Can you SHOW me the proof?  Can you SHOW me the effort you put into promoting it, the people you talked too, the amount of time you put in, your leads?  I can show the proof I make at Visalus.  I DO put work into it and DO have a list of people that actually ASK me to use the product.  I DO have far far more customers than distributors.  Thus a need for my product.  I DO have people that sign up for my product without even talking to me.  It is a BUSINESS, one that is fun with many rewards but a business.  Did you actually do anything at your home business or did you sit on your butt and “pretend” to be busy?  SHOW ME YOUR PROOF AND I’LL SHOW YOU MINE, lol.  But you don’t have any, that’s why you are way too funny.  Any business has to be worked to be rewarded and especially in sales.  The effort you put in today will be rewarded down the line.  You are probably one of those people who are young and jump from job to job with no work ethic if it doesn’t come easy to you and no clue on what it’s like to actually dedicate your time to something. And seriosuly, that is OK, that’s why they have an hourly wage for you.   If you work at this business just like at any other home business, Mary Kay, Avon, whatever, you will make money.  It’s a matter of actually doing the work and  building a client base, something you obviously know nothing about.  Even Donald Trump agrees with Network Marketing and says that’s the only way to go!  So, yeah, basically start showing your PROOF, I don’t know, showing who you REALLY ARE, since you refuse to show your name anywhere and HIDE behind your lies.  And you really should think before your post logos of other peoples companies and pics and use the copyright illegally because people that have way more money than (those that own the Network Marketing Company you are bashing without any proof)  are probably watching what you are saying. 

You should NEVER ever slam a company without actually doing a complete research. I have done many MLM. So I would be the first to shun all mlm companies just from pure disappointments. Yes, I am an easy prey, and I have been suckered to joining a lot of companies that make promises. When I found Visalus Sciences from a friend of a friend, I immediately had an opinion of a simple “No!” After a few weeks, I was told again to try the product for 30 days or get your money back. That was a good reason for me to try it. I got a sample from the friend of the friend. I like the taste of it. I ordered a bag knowing that I will probably have to call and get a refund. After 1 week of trying out the product, I realized that I don’t need my Prevacid any longer for my acid reflux. Then I noticed that I wasn’t ordering a lot of desserts every night for my sweet tooth. It took me a week to upgrade my order to get an extra bag of Vi-Shape. Than later, I found out that I can promote and make money. Bingo.. if I (me) the skeptical and the negative actually like this product, I have nothing to lose. I love this product whether I make money or not. I am now a promoter. I wish I found this product sooner to help with my problem issues. I wish the world could use this product to control obesity. I have lost 14 lbs! I am not a very big person so this is a huge feat. I had high triglycerides too. Thanks to Visalus. I can that in past tense:) OMG, don’t take my words for it or anyone else for that matter. Try it for 30 days. If you are not happy, get your money back. Oh, I don’t have a bmw, YET. But I will. Lastly, I get my products for free and get a few hundred dollars for commission. Don’t generalize. Just have an open mind and try it out. If you have a good team, you will succeed. Here is my site if you wish to order. I don’t care if you believe me or not.. just try it. You can thank me later when you feel energized and losing weight. 90daynow . bodybyvi . com

Have you read the nutrition facts or did any research on the vi-shape nutritional shakes? As a personal trainer I would for sure recommend to any of my clients, at any age. Whether it be for weight loss or supporting a healthy lifestyle. I don’t ever recall saying it was a “magic bullet” as with any supplement you must incorporate exercise and a healthy diet. In fact from all of the research that I have done on visalus they promote both 100%. Before starting any diet plan you should consult your doctor which of course I encourage all of my clients to do. For me, this is making a difference when countless things have not..you call it a scam and I will call it a healthy lifestyle and my glimmer of hope. Take good care…

And Visalus only gives you a monthly “bonus” towards the car… they do not buy the car for you.   You must qualify for the financing all on your own – in other words you sign a contract with the car company to buy a car.  If you drop below your minimum level to qualify or if for any reason Visalus feels like it, no more money… but you still have an expensive car payment to make.  That finance company is not going to care if you are getting the money from Visalus or not, they will repossess that car from YOU and it will go on YOUR credit if you don’t make the payments. 

Have you seen on the news and in the papers about an 18 year study that showed that vitamin supplements do not do anything and can be harmful if you get to much of one thing. Calcium is the only supplement that has been showned to actually help.  My question has always been and no one has answered If Visalus is so great why do they then push you to buy vitamins and brain pills, add ins, appitite suppresent.  You have been sucked into there illusions and am sorry to inform you it is not a business.

Getting the BMW is not hard you are right on that If you have a job and good credit were you can get the lease yourself.  Keeping it is hard most end up with a huge lease payment with no money to pay for it. I repeat what has been stated before you do not work for this company, you do not represent them, they have not asked you to sell for them and they do not asked you to ask others to sell for them, It is in the small letters on the contract. That is why they can encourage you to lie about your weight lost, money you make,and how many people it has helped. Because they take no responsibilty to you or for you.  They state they do not furnish you a lawyer if you get sued. Anyone would lose weight on any meal replacement product but will not keep it off when they go off it and who wants to drink shakes the rest of their life.

Because I feel when there is wrong being done we as humans should try to right it. Try to protect those who don’t have no had the life lesson to avoid getting hurt.  These are hard times and in hard times the scammer come out in droves.

You are suppose to have two shakes a day and then a sensible meal and maybe some fruit. People I know that tried it got really hungry and weak, They try to get you to but add ins, vitamins, appitite suppresant, brain power mix, etc. It says in the small print not for pregant women.

What tree? It is still a  pyramid because it depends on recruiting more people. Not what the ones upline are doing.

I have seen picture of the meetings last one in Orlando and EVERYONE is holding drinks and bottles of booze. I am not talking about the challenge party. No I wouldn’t think they would have booze it is only when they get together to celebrate scamming their victims and for some more brainwashing.

They asked for my suggestions. not a prescription.

I didn’t say it was like the bimmer club, NO WAY. He doen’t work for a car co. I was pointing out what a real business with a real employees does to furnish them with cars.

You do not have to buy the weight watcher brand of food to be on the program. It is a lot of difference you are trying to talk your clients in being distributors.

Truthful again.

You have drank the kool-aid and been through the brainwashing. You will learn in time.  As far as bashing this company.  Everyone should speak up with they see a wrong being done to other people and try to right it. They play on everyone’s poor body image. 

More kool-aid drank another brain washed. Another victim. Another real world to come crashing down.

You are SOOOOOO brainwashed. Sorry for your friends and families.

Also the human weakness of having poor body image is something that everyone has and easy to exploit. Also since they don’t work for the company or represent them the company can not be held liable for anything thing they say or do. so the company can encourage them to say anything no matter how inane and when they come back to the company they just say don’t blame me they work for us.   Oh this is so much fun.

I have a wonderful normal family. WE had never had a cross word until Visalus came into our world and taught them to be so rude and combative.  And the really bad part is they end up getting had. I would not  ever try to get my family and friends into an MLM I care to much for them and I resented that they would me.

If you are getting yours free than you have paid at least $49 and are selling at least three ( that by the way you have to keep eo get it free. If one becomes a rep (used loosely) then you have to replace him, if one quits you have to replace him sooooooo you muxt be a distributor!!!!!! I am sure your doctor would be happy with weight lost no matter how you lost it.

sorry meant don’t work for us. miss print.

Again if it is so great and has so much why do they even make and puch to sell all the other products. If the nutrition facts are so great, by the way I have and am not impressed the printing and wording is so foolish, why do they push you to buy vitamins, add ins, appitite suppresients, brain power, etc.  No one has ever answered that question. But I keep asking hoping that some one has an answer. 

I would recommend that you read all the posts here but especially those of Jerry and Ex Visalus Distributor.

If you want proof I would suggest you read ex Visalus Distributors’s posts and Jerry’s oh go ahead and read all the posts.

I signed up as a favor to my account then I find out how you must hit a level a month to stay a distributor; when I ask them to stop automation shipment as soon as they got my other credit card they still keep shipping.  I canceled withing the 30 days now they say I did not. Now I can’t recover over $800 and they have the product I returned.  Any suggestions, beside small claims court?

I don’t know if it is a scam or not, but I can’t help noticing that most of the visalus people are still fat. If it is a weight loss product they are promoting and if it works, why are they still fat?

Because they arent using their own product like they should. They are spending their earned money on eating what they want haha

How many successful weight loss products have you made? Where did you get your doctorate in nutrition? I wish I knew as much as an expert like you in whether or not things work without even trying them. You must be God or something. You’re pretty intelligent and must run a successful company since you have all this time to sit on here telling everyone the product doesnt work and its a scam. Amazing how the ratio of haters to lovers is 1:900

You don’t have to be the smartest person in the world to know what everyone knows that has an ounce of common sense. Ive seen enough I don’t have to be hit over the head with a hammer.

I never said that you didn’t eat but I know to lose weight you are suppose to replace two meals with shakes and a lot of people I know got hungry and weak on this plan even though they had healthy snacks too.

Yes they were rude

I read an article in the newspaper the other day about scams.  It said that during bad times the “last dollar companies” come out of the woodwork to pray on the desperate. They are called “last dollar companies” because they know people are hurting and need to make extra money and they are there to take advantage of that. They take the last dollars they have because they know people will spend their last dollar to try to make things better for their families.  Visalus is one of those “last dollar companies” ready willing and able to suck the last dollar from anyone that they can scam into letting them do it.

It is all the partying at their brainwashing meetings celebrating their scams. They eat, drank, and are merry.

Keep bugging the person that signed you up and the company. Threaten to inform the BBB (not they are worth abything) and any regulatory dept you can think of and your Congressmen and state elected officiers and do it sometimes this gets some action. I seen this same thing posted a lot .  If you find one ask them what they did.  Good Luck.

If that is the ratio you came up with you might want to take some math courses.

You sound rather desperate to make a sale. Just try it 30 days or 90 days just try it     Call me    call me just try it………..

Any one who has taken a creative writing class or saling class would recommend the blue print they have provided you. Identify that it is real. Establish creditability (I am 39 year old certified personal trainer)  Identify the trouble (MS and RA) Provide the cure (Visalus of course. Establish nuetrality No probably not  Go in for the Kill (I feel better)

I have been hooked up with recurring monthly shipments and bills against my will.  I have called to cancel and was told that it was cancelled, only to find yesterday that it is not.  On their website, I see a number of emails like mine.

Holy cow Mathew. Have you honestly never researched an MLM before. Every forum you read on all MLMs for the past 30 years all look exactly the same. People coming forward who recognize it as a scam and then a few ‘believers’ who claim it’s awesome if you just ‘work at it’.
Your responses are so cliched it’s hilarious.
By design MLMs are doomed to fail – it’s just pure mathematics. A few in the beginning will make a lot of $$ but over time the new distributers dry up and the model collapses.
Try googling Amway, Mona Vie, Nutrimetics and about 50 other vitamin based MLM schemes. You’ll recognize yourself somewhere within the forum.

Yeah. Leilani – your pretty typical of 1st time multilevel marketing prisoners. You’ve never seen this doomed business model before so you take it all in hook, line & sinker. You’re not bad people, just not very well informed as to the history behind these type of scams.

You clearly haven’t heard of the law of regression to the mean. It basically states that when a person is sick there are 3 things that will happen with no help from the outsid world- 1/They get sicker2/They get better 3/ They stay the same.
When thousands of people take these new miracle cures a certain number are going to feel better just through chance. Those are the testimonials you’ll see on these forums. It wasn’t the ‘magic cure’ that did it. They were due to get better anyway.
This is different from the placebo effect but that also contributes somewhat.

Unfortunatley people who don’t have a science background look at the shonky ‘evidence’ for a product and assume it’s all legit. Show me a peer reviewed double blind placebo controlled study published in a reputable journal and I’ll start to believe.

Remember one of the basic principles of scientific method- Testimonials are not evidence.

You clearly haven’t heard of the law of regression to the mean. It basically states that when a person is sick there are 3 things that will happen with no help from the outsid world- 1/They get sicker2/They get better 3/ They stay the same.
When thousands of people take these new miracle cures a certain number are going to feel better just through chance. Those are the testimonials you’ll see on these forums. It wasn’t the ‘magic cure’ that did it. They were due to get better anyway.
This is different from the placebo effect but that also contributes somewhat.
 
Unfortunatley people who don’t have a science background look at the shonky ‘evidence’ for a product and assume it’s all legit. Show me a peer reviewed double blind placebo controlled study published in a reputable journal and I’ll start to believe.
 
Remember one of the basic principles of scientific method- Testimonials are not evidence.

Yes. I’ve built up a multi million dollar portfolio from nothing by using sound investment principles while working a regular job as a scientist for a disease management company. Do I qualify?

I’ve seen these MLMs come and go over the last 20 years, I almost got sucked into Amway myself before I realized that the heads of these MLMs have been scamming people for years.
They are all based on the same principle – find a product that no store would stock and nobody would look for in a store. Jack up the price artificially by claiming it is more potent (Amway soap), more powerful (Mona Vie prune juice) or has magical health giving properties (Visalus).
Convince your distributers that if they work hard enough and believe to achieve etc etc they can get rich.
Oversaturate the market.
Provide lots of anecdotal evidence that the product works- nb. In the real scientific community anecdotes never qualify as evidence.
Eventually go bust with the majority of distributers never making a dime.

You can make money if you get in early enough but just be aware that the money you take in now is really coming from some suckers pocket a year or so from now through a series of financial dominoes. You are essentially stealing from people that you probably will never meet becuae of the inevitable collapse of the system. If you feel comfortable stealing from people then go right ahead with your MLM.

By the way, just because a few doctors endorse a product means nothing. The healthcare system in this country is so screwed up that physicians will say just about anything to make some extra money.
It may pay for you to learn something about the scientific method and realize that unless a trial is double blind placebo controlled, randomized and peer reviewed it isn’t worth the paper its printed on.

So if the product is so great, why isn’t it sold in shops. That is the most efficient way to provide a low cost solution to a common problem.

The difference between your pyramid scheme and working for a corporation is this-
Everyone in the corporation gets paid, some more some less but all employees have a realistic expectation before they sign an employment contract.
In a Pyramid/MLM the top 1/3  of the pyramid make all the money. The middle 3rd break even and the bottom 3rd lose money. Do you know anyone that goes to work for a corporation and pays their employers for the privelage.

In a pyramid a sponsor CAN make less than his downline by simply failing to recruit as many people. Take the Airplane Pyramid. If you turn up with only 2 people under you but those 2 turn up with 10 each, they get paid but you don’t. A you denying that the Airplane game is a pyramid.

I am not a user or distributor-weight fine and to busy for another venture, but have several friends who are users and 2 are distributors.  Amazed at the weight loss and health improvements of every user I know.  One came off insulin and dr reorded blood tests that were so good he thought test was mistaken, another lost 53 lbs in 90 days and is keeping it off.  the distributors have shown me their checks.  the product is good and the company pays as promised.  If I had to be scamed-then scam me all you like this way. I believe most of those bad mouthing never tried it to begin with.

Hey guess what.  Instead of buying useless overpriced supplements that nobody ever heard of, try proper diet and exercise for a change.  I agree with the author completely.  If the products are as great as they’re hyped up to be, then why not promote them to legitimate health product distributors.  These so called sales gurus prey on people who don’t feel like doing diet and exercise and instead are looking for a quick easy fix to their health problems.  I guarantee they have people employed just to go around the internet and pretend they made a ton of money selling this crap, or experienced miracle weight loss.

You are correct in that proper diet and exercise are the way to go. I myself throw some greens, water, and fruit in a blender each morning for breakfast. but most people are not going to do that. Over half of our population is overweight mainly caused by fast foods, hurried schedule and laziness to cook. If some of these can reduce their weight and sugar levels by drinking something that tastes good-more power to them. One of my relatives is very obese, been trying for years to talk diet to her to no avail.  She now using and loving the shake and is losing weight-her life will be improved because of that shake.  Maybe not better than diet and exercise but better than what she was doing.
Direct marketing is just another method of marketing that has its place, every company must decide how it will market it’s products.  Not that the stores will not carry it but the company will not allow the retail outlets to do so.  They will disband any distributor who places it in a retail establishment. It has been shown to be better than many of the products in the stores. Ideal Protein is better but costs much much more.  Would not be surprised if allowed in stores after a few years but at this time that is probably the fastest way to get it to the market in force-so I can see why some companies choose that style of marketing.  Blue Cross and Blue Shield has a wellness clause where they will reimburse the cost to the employee, ADA is now considering it for endorsement. and many physicians are now beginning to recommend-they saw the results it made on some of their patients. I will listen to these endorsements over those of someone like myself who has no qualifications to decide if anything fit or unfit.   I shunned this for 2 months but when I personally saw one co-worker lose 53 lbs and completely control his bad sugar levels  and saw another pick up 2400 in his 3rd month I realized this may be one mlm that actually is on the up and up-and if I had the need and personality to get into something like this I would choose this company.
The author is right but he left a few facts out.  the company only gives you money to help cover the payment of BMW and warns them to be in a position to maintain that level of production.  They do not have to buy or lease a new BMW-it has to be a 2000 or above-which you can get for less than 600 per month.  You may choose to receive $300 per month in lieu of the BMW which I would do because that is one car I never wish to maintain.  As of today they announced it may be black, silver, or green.
As most of you I did not form my opinion by research, scientific tests, or knowledge. I formed mine from a RN friend, licensed dietician friend, 2 dtrs who are nurses. relatives and 3 co-worker users, and 2 co-worker who are distributors, and my own physician.
I have the right to participate or not and if some others participate and improve their health-then more power to them even if they are looking for a quick health fix and we all should have better things to do than this immaterial pissing match.

Do you really thjnk people are fooled by Visalus’ trick of I have no dog in this fight. No one is that dumb.  I am suprised that people still fall for these MLM.  In the environment this world is in today with lots of scuzzy people out there trying to con us out of our hard earned money we don’t really need our friends and families conning us too.  I would never try to sell my friends and family anything.  If I get something they would like to have they can get it at the same place I got it, they don’t need me to sell it to them. Mixing friends/family with business is always a bad ideal.  If anyone tries to get you to sell to them , they aren’t doing you any favors.

Don’t let them get by with it. report them to Attorney General’s office both state and national. Report them to BBB (although this is a useless agency) and to any regulatory agency you can find out about. Report them to your local, state, and national elected office.  If they get by with it they will keep doing it.

Tell that to Warren Buffet-mlm is not what it was 20 yrs ago but am sure there are alot of crooks in it as they are in everything. Have never looked at a mlm before-as an accountant I could easily see the math never added up-this one was in my face and I saw the results. As for the no dog-believe me if i was in it I would tell you-because if I didn’t  believe in it enough I should not be there anyway.  If it wasn’t for the fact I am thin, no sales personality, and trying to run 3 businesses I would definitely give it a try.  I will state the friend and family business statement is correct. 

Ouuuuu you get a company car to play with…big deal. It’s a BMW omg…i have to work for this company! NOT. I would rather work for the large corporate company I do now and pay for the BMW in my driveway that IS MINE AND NOT COMMISION BASED….people need to actually work. Waiting around for companies to let them borrow their company cars means shit. Its upsetting to know we live in a society based on false promises and hope. how many of you out there are slaving away promoting this stupid “weight loss” garbage when you could have a company car for free working for a better company and not have to sell any of that weight loss garbage? It’s really sad knowing people have to work for these types of companies and people believe anything they read. It’s amazing how if one onth you dont make your quota for a monthly commision youll loose the precious BMW you can borrow for free? And I bet the majority of the ppl who can finally go borrow the car cant even get it because they are lower class blue collared people trying to get by in life. This company probably doesnt even have benefits life insurance for their employee but they sure do have a car they can borrow…..which doesnt belong to them….they will never own…they will have to return…

stupid people.

While I’m not a Visalus distributor, I have had some experience in the MLM industry and it just amazes me that so many people on this discussion board are spending so much time to bash a single company when there are hundreds and hundreds of networking ventures out there.   Has anyone here said a single THING that hasn’t already been said about Amway, Shaklee and Herbalife more than 30 years ago?

Okay, we get it: most of you don’t like Multi-Level Marketing.  You don’t like the idea of selling, you don’t like recruiting, you don’t like the products these companies market on a “word of mouth” basis. Fine and dandy… no need for you to get involved.  But what I find interesting is that many posters simply seem to feel that because not everyone “makes it” or that there is attrition, that MLM is simply a bad business model.   Interesting, because in my field — Financial Services — the turnover for new stockbrokers and life insurance agents is AT LEAST 95% after one year.  And this is after they pass aptitude tests, study to get licensed and undergo weeks of proven training.  Yet even the best and brightest often “fail.”  Does this mean that Financial Services is a bad business and no-one should ever consider the field?  Hardly.

The same thing holds true in MLM which is simply a group of people finding a product they like and looking to share the same opportunity with other like-thinking people.  Is it easy… well no, because if it were easy then EVERYBODY WOULD BE DOING IT.   Fact is, whether you make a few hundred, a few thousand or a few million, network marketing can be great training for any other business requiring some smarts, a great deal of persistence, the ability to see beyond just today and a desire to work with others in a TEAM setting as opposed to the “dog-eat-dog” environment of the corporate world.

One personality trait IS REQUIRED: the desire to achieve more, the desire to be your own boss.  Networking is NOT the place for those who simply believe that signing up earns them a paycheck; sorry folks, but there is WORK involved.  This is a business where, like any sales position, “You reap what you sow.”   That simple fact is lost on so many, like the many who post negatively on this forum.  Even the “reviewer” who so easily dismissed Visalus at the top of this page seems to believe that everyone would be better suited to just go get your basic, average, easy-to-find high-paying JOB.  Really?  That’s your answer to anyone with an entrepreneurial spirit?  Look, not everyone is going to be Steve Jobs and not everyone is going to hit it big in multi-level-marketing, but for those who seek independence, who like the idea of their own business without massive capital requirements, who want to avoid the hassles of employees, rent and all the other headaches that can accompany a “traditional business,” the perhaps network marketing is the way to go.

Why should anyone have a problem with that?

I am a user/distributor of Visalus and it’s working great for me! I have Cystic Fibrosis and this product line is vastly improving my health! My kit was paid for in two weeks and the rest is all profits! Yep, sounds like a scam to me! Visalus had a convention this past weekend where they gave away $6.25 million in bonuses! 12,000 people attended. They are giving away an average of 20 BMWs a day! BMW has requested they add a color besides black because they’re having trouble keeping up with orders-Green and Silver have been added to the options! It is not carried in stores simply because that is not how it’s marketed. This company is changing lives and people who don’t know about it are scared of it and that’s why they give it bad reviews like this one! I was a big skeptic, I turned it down fir two months before I finally decided to just listen. I tried the product(delicious by the way) and started feeling better rather quickly. I’ve been on it for a month now and I have energy that I lost ten years ago. My Drs have been giving me all kinds of meds trying to get me healthier with little success. I’m running around like a teenager again! If you don’t like network marketing, simply stay away from it! Don’t call it a scam and ruin someone’s opportunity to decide for themselves just because you don’t understand it! By the way, as I said, I’ve been in for a month, so I’m not a Higher up in the company! But I know dozens of people, personally, with great success. Criticize me if you want, I’m sure some will, but I don’t care! Visalus is most definitely NOT A SCAM! Thank you for reading MY story and I encourage everyone to formulate your own opinion before you assume!

Like most people on here who are ViSalus customers and distributors, myself included. We all stand by the company. Its not a scam. I have always been leery about mlm companies and constantly turned away from it. My father is a professional fire fighter and had excess weight. Along with him were other fire fighters and they all tried the product. After 52 days my dad dropped from 242 to 210 and another dropped 56 pounds in 60 days and this one was taken off his blood pressure medication and it brought his cholesterol down from 310 to 130 in 60 days. Bash it all you want but until you try the product no one will actually take you seriously. This article doesn’t give an accurate description of the company either. It exaggerates all the details especially the corporate ones. The company tells you to wait a couple months before going to get a BMW to make sure you are stable enough with promotions and even if you fail to make your mark which is harder to do than not, they give you a 2 month grace period where they still send you the check. I also went to the convention in Atlanta over the weekend and we saw and spoke with so many people whose lives have changed from taking the product and/or promoting it. My father is a great example. He now promotes it along with me. I didn’t have any weight to lose but i put on 8 lbs of muscle in 28 days without taking whey or Creatine WHILE maintaining a 7.5% body fat and that’s not my BMI Be a skeptic. i encourage you to…I was until I saw and tried the product. I saw others have amazing results when other weight loss products fail. But don’t criticize it without trying it. That said, if you have any questions, do research on the product itself, compare it with others but don’t rely on articles like these with misgiving information. Talk to someone who has tried it too. 
Good Luck and God Bless
Sean

25 bmw’s earned every single day, 1.2 million in BMW bonus money earned in the last 90 days. 1800 people earned their BMW in last 90 days. The guy that wrote this article has typos all over the place. Also BMW contacted ViSalus CEO and said we can’t keep up with the Black BMW  demand. Asked that ViSalus offer more colors. Now you can get ViSalus Green and Silver. BMW is doing ViSalus a favor and offers all who earn the BMW Wholesale Pricing. Also you can buy a used one too if you want. you can bet a BMW motorcycle if you please as long as the color is right. Also just fyi author…. you have a grace period were you still receive the car bonus if you do not for some reason qualify.   The car is at the second level of the company. 

you probably will not find too much because they have lobbyist. people they pay to keep quiet and keep the negative out. they filter all the negativity that you try to search for. try googling visalus scams or something to that nature and what you will get a lot of the times is a negative header or title and when you click on it, you will read positive things about it, that it isn’t a scam and that it is a moneymaker and it is healthy. I am not saying that it doesn’t work because i have tried to research it and even tried it, and i did lose weight but it was nothing to really boast about but as a business model  i am not sure if it is worth it. It works for some i suppose but I know an entire visalus team (not a huge team) that the members have not even made director and have been trying for a year. Only one person, the one who got them to try it has recently made the title of Regional Director (that is the first major milestone in Visalus) it took him more than a year. He earns peanuts in my opinion, has a bimmer he can hardly afford and its a used 3 series with no amenities. but the company boast serveral people who have made ambassador in less then 42 days. If you want a good example of what i am talking about when you search for visalus scams check this site out.

 http://www.vitalityteam.org/visalus-scam/

what do you think…decide for yourself.

The United States Federal Trade Commission
(FTC) warns “Not all multilevel marketing plans are legitimate. Some
are pyramid schemes. It’s best not to get involved in plans where the
money you make is based primarily on the number of distributors you
recruit and your sales to them, rather than on your sales to people
outside the plan who intend to use the products.”

think about it: you can make money by just selling the product, that amount just selling the product based on just customers is very little. ie: if i sell $1000 worth in product this month my payout is about 250 dollars this month. ok so i am $250 dollars richer but its not enough to pay my bills of which i have nearly no debt. that is actually my gas and electric bill only.
first i need to get 3 customers on the same kit i have so that mine is free, then i get 6 distributors under me who each have 3 customers of their own and are all active and not to mention you need $12500 in group points and i am a Regional Director(RD) and i am making supposedly anywhere from $1000-3000 dollars this month and i get a $600 dollar allowance towards my bimmer. So i have to put people in BMWs to grow and earn lots of cash in shorter time period. sounds really easy right…?? think again its hard enough getting yourself to RD trying getting a crew of only 6 individuals to do the same. want to make ambassador(AMB) you need to put 12 individuals in bimmers. by the way u only get the bimmer perk and all your earnings if you purchase the $500 dollar ESS distributor kit. otherwise you get very little with the basic distributor kit.

most money is primarly made by recruitment of successful distributors in your downline, that is where the money is mostly at. don’t forget about the levels deep u have to ge tas well.

lets go over the FTC warining once more: “It’s best not to get involved in plans where the
money you make is based primarily on the number of distributors you
recruit and your sales to them, rather than on your sales to people
outside the plan who intend to use the products.”

that is the definition of a really good pyramid scheme, maybe even one with loop holes that make it legal.

The United States Federal Trade Commission
(FTC) warns “Not all multilevel marketing plans are legitimate. Some
are pyramid schemes. It’s best not to get involved in plans where the
money you make is based primarily on the number of distributors you
recruit and your sales to them, rather than on your sales to people
outside the plan who intend to use the products.”

think about it: you can make money by just selling the product, that
amount just selling the product based on just customers is very little.
ie: if i sell $1000 worth in product this month my payout is about 250
dollars this month. ok so i am $250 dollars richer but its not enough to
pay my bills of which i have nearly no debt. that is actually my gas
and electric bill only.

first i need to get 3 customers on the same kit i have so that mine is
free, then i get 6 distributors under me who each have 3 customers of
their own and are all active and not to mention you need $12500 in group
points and i am a Regional Director(RD) and i am making supposedly
anywhere from $1000-3000 dollars this month and i get a $600 dollar
allowance towards my bimmer. So i have to put people in BMWs to grow and
earn lots of cash in shorter time period. sounds really easy right…??
think again its hard enough getting yourself to RD trying getting a
crew of only 6 individuals to do the same. want to make ambassador(AMB)
you need to put 12 individuals in bimmers. thats a best case scenario some need more group points.  by the way u only get the
bimmer perk and all your earnings if you purchase the $500 dollar ESS
distributor kit. otherwise you get very little with the basic
distributor kit.

most money is primarily made by recruitment of successful distributors in
your downline, that is where the money is mostly at. don’t forget about
the levels deep u have to get as well.

lets go over the FTC warning once more: “It’s best not to get involved in plans where the
money you make is based primarily on the number of distributors you
recruit and your sales to them, rather than on your sales to people
outside the plan who intend to use the products.”

that is the definition of a really good pyramid scheme, maybe even one with loop holes that make it legal.

I am not saying it is impossible, just saying it isn’t as easy as they say and it can been thought of as a pyramid scheme. Just saying proceed with extreme caution, they will paint you a beautiful picture a Sistine chapel of sorts. i don’t care what numbers they throw at you, percentages, testimonials, what are the numbers truly based on. just something to think about. again use caution.

how’s it going everyone, have read lots of comments, some good and some bad. I can appreciate both. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just recently started the 90 day challenge. i believe that this product really does work i have had success with it and so has my wife. My mother in law also is doing well with it she finally has her 3 people and her product is now free. i only have 5 customers so far and to be quite honest i could use some help from existing vi people or anyone else out there. i really would like to be successful at this i know it can be done because one of my close friends is already a Regional Director. I’ve only had 3 challenge parties since i’ve started recently but i still only have the 5 customers. I’ve tried to have more parties but people sometimes don’t come. I could use the help i know you will not be disappointed in the product just try it for 90 days see what happens, shoot try it for 30 days and if you aren’t satisfied send it back for a refund. my website for now is victorarocho.bodybyvi.com if you have questions go to my website and ask me. please leave contact info for me to email you back. Otherwise check out the site and order a kit or sign up to be a distributor, i promise will do what i can to help you in either case. I have my friend others in my upline that can also answer your questions. again the website is :

victorarocho.bodybyvi.com

easy  way to get fit??? people that believe this  are  lazy and fool…. know that those shakes contain sucralose (sugar which is the cause of many illnesses) and oraganochlorine which is lethal when consumed in large amounts)/
instead make your own shake: parsley, celery pineapple, ginger…. and stop eating like a pig, avoid white flour and fried food. or animals that are full of toxins like pork,shrimp,oysters…. in Leviticus 11, God tells us how to eat healthy : )

I have been on Visalus for 2 and 1/2 months now.  It is fantastic! They do not require you to buy any more than what you started with. Lets get our facts straight.  I have eaten like a pig my whole life and deserve to be fat I’m sure, but this product really helps curb cravings and is the only thing I have ever found that does make weight loss easier. I have fought depression and have had the hell teased out of me and finally know I am going to have this problem licked with visalus. I have lost a total of 21 pounds so far. My husband has lost 26. It is not a total miracle, but it is sure amazing how it helps.  The amount of sucralos is minute.I know there are many people who have all the answers on how to lose weight.  They make really mean comments and put others down because they have either arrogant or low self-esteem.  I have never found another product that works like this.  I am sure you all must know God better and be going staight to heaven because you know how to eat and looking right is so important.  I am sure all us fat people will go to hell because the bible tells us how to eat.  I have a relationship with Jesus that says to love your neighbor as yourself.  God is love.  Check out the gifts of the Holy Spirit.  Hmmmm.  They don’t fit in with calling people fat, lazy pigs.  Don’t knock Body by Vi until you try it.  If you don’t like it, you are not out a dime and they will give you your money back. I love this product!  http://www.ckratzke.bodybyvi.com

My good, close friend and her mom have already recieved the BMW bonus. She has not had to work that hard to get it.  She has only been doing this 3 months.  She has lost 36 pounds, runs a full-time daycare, is a photographer.  When do you think she has time to pound the pavement.  Try it before you pass judgement.  You have nothing to lose.  I have lost 16 pounds in 2 and 1/2 months, my hubs has lost 26.  Those are the facts and they are real.  I have never tried anything that knocks out my cravings and makes me feel as good as this product does.  I am on Vi for life! http://www.ckratzke.bodybyvi.com

My good, close friend and her mom have already recieved the BMW bonus. She has not had to work that hard to get it.  She has only been doing this 3 months.  She has lost 36 pounds, runs a full-time daycare, is a photographer.  When do you think she has time to pound the pavement.  Try it before you pass judgement.  You have nothing to lose.  I have lost 16 pounds in 2 and 1/2 months, my hubs has lost 26.  Those are the facts and they are real.  I have never tried anything that knocks out my cravings and makes me feel as good as this product does.  I am on Vi for life! http://www.ckratzke.bodybyvi.com

So easy to judge.  Lovin’ it!  -16 pounds down when I have struggled with weight my whole life.  Struggle is over baby! http://www.ckratzke.bodybyvi.com

Wish I could post a picture of my scam check that I get every month from VISALUS lol. Oh.. and the scam PAID FOR car thats parked in my drive way. NOT PAID FOR MONTHLY… BUT PAID OFF… As in NO CAR PAYMENT! 

Call your credit card company and stop payment.  Most credit card companies will back you as long as you can document that the product was returned.  But don’t wait, take action today.

there is no scam, you know up front if you dont put in the work you dont get paid, i have thousands of customers and distributors on my team that have lost weight, several are pushing 100 lbs. Redirection of funds are killing the other MLM’s out there, and with our 3 for free program you get kits free minus the shipping. We have people making money from 100’s a week to 1000’s a week. Its all in what effort you put in. People are looking for a fast healithier alternative to working out 5 days a week and some people cant physically work out that are handicapped or disabled. I say Visalus is changing the world for the better and its getting gooder and gooder!!!

what do you think

Clearly you are not cut out for being an entrepreneur. You just stick to your gov job. Leave the real work to us.

So 82000 people joined the challenge in Sept alone! Over 20 people a day are qualifying for the BMW bonus. Visalus will soon (Q1 2012) be the first direct selling company ever to do $1 Billion in sales from North America alone (yes, that includes the big boys, Amway, Avon, and the like). The rest had to go global to do that. 

You’re right, this is just a scam. It can’t possibly last. 
Don’t you just love ignorant people with big mouths?

One of our founders thought exactly like you did, until he realized his multi degrees guaranteed him nothing! They don’t teach the real skills needed in school. Wake up! Those Industrial revolution ideas don’t apply anymore in today’s market. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you’ll join the rest of us in the brave new world!

Ignorance. 
The only difference between Visalus and say, NutriSystem, is that Visalus uses word of mouth advertising, and pays their people to advertise, rather than spending Million$ on TV, print ads.

You obviously have no idea about any marketing whatsoever, network or otherwise. 
Ever heard of AFLAC, Avon, Mary Kay, Pampered Chef? Would you consider these scams? They are all multi-level marketing companies.
Just like any industry, there are good ones and bad ones. 
Get your facts first before you open your mouth!

First off, the fact that you think Hulk Hogan is paid to endorse Visalus shows you know nothing!

The real brain washing begins at birth for all of us. We are told what to do, where to go, how to “fit it” in society.
Go to school, get good grades, go to college, get good grades, graduate, find a big company, work hard and they will take care of you. HA! How’s that working our for ya? How many of your goals have you accomplished with that plan? Better yet, do you even make your own goals anymore, or are they given to you by your boss!
See, the beauty of being self-employed is that we can work as hard or as little as we want. Can you say the same?
I learned long ago after going to several job interviews which side of the table I wanted to be on. 
You keep your “safe, secure (HA), JOB”, I’m going to go help the economy by creating jobs! 
That’s the difference. It’s the 80-20 rule. I’m in the 20% that go out there and get things done. You’re in the 80% that sits in their cubicle and complains that nothing gets done.

No one said you have to sell it. There are plenty of folks that are happy just enjoying the product benefits. 
They don’t even have to be a promoter to get their product for free, just referrals can do that.

It’s a business. Of course you have to do some actual work. You are obviously not cut out to run a business or work for yourself. So, by all means, stay at the bottom of that corporate pyramid, i mean ladder.
That’s where you’re safest and most comfortable.
Leave the risk taking to the real entrepreneurs! 

82000 new people gained “access” to the products in Sept alone!
You clearly have no idea what direct selling is. Do your homework. Learn about something BEFORE you try and have an opinion on it.

The fact is, every single person who has come to this site is looking for something. Their life is missing something. Why else do they even start looking?
So if your life is missing something, why look into Visalus?
Hmm

If you are so against MLM’s, why are you even wasting your time on it?
Why not go do something more productive with your time? Oh, that’s right, that’s why you’re here in the first place, poor decisions. 
If you are one of the few that found this while you were doing actual research, good for you. There may be hope for you yet.
Otherwise, stop wasting your time! Either get the facts, or shut up!

i dont know if you have your facts straight about religion but, eating alot does not mean you will be going to hell. the reason why those beatitudes were created was that so a human being may be able to control themselves. no offense but like you said, you did not hold back when you ate, that’s called gluttony, eating more than you can take. It’s not only a waste of food, but for other people who actually have nothing to eat. the bible never said anything about how we should eat, so don’t mock the bible or God. you say you love this product but really all you’re saying is that it’s the easiest way to loose fat without doing little effort. what happens you’ve lost that wait and you wish to get off the product, wouldn’t your body get attached to it? in the end, it may even end up turning into a drug.

so why are you here exelr8?

I was actually doing a search for the new color that BMW has created specifically for Visalus. A new person is qualifying for their BMW bonus every hour! It is putting such a stress on BMW’s production of their black inventory, they contacted Visalus, and we now have our own color exclusively for us. During my search, my curiosity got the best of me when I saw “scam”. It amazes me how many people will say “that’s one of those pyramid things” without even knowing what that really means. They just heard someone else say it and thinks it’s what they’re suppose to say. The “Corporate” mentality has been ingrained in us all since birth. The current school system worked great in the industrial age, spitting out drones destined for the assembly lines. And since big businesses control the education elections, and the gov needs tax paying drones, the system that’s been broken for decades won’t get fixed. Did you know that 80% of kids who’ve graduated in the last 10 yrs don’t even work in the field of their degree? And with the emphasis that society has pushed to go to college, there are less and less young people willing to do blue collar work. See, people are stuck in their own little comfortable worlds and don’t want to know what’s really going on out there. As long as it’s not affecting them, they are oblivious. That’s the problem. Those are the people who can’t see past their own corporate brainwashing to realize why our country, as great as it is, is starting to lose our lead on the rest of the world. Sorry about my inner Dennis Miller rant coming out there. It’s just frustrating to read crap from uninformed, ignorant, negative people who won’t look at the big picture. They’re happy in their comfortable little box, and want to discourage anyone looking to actually step out and try to grow as a person. Visalus already has a handful of copycats. They copy our products (poorly), they copy our compensation plan, they have even copied our car program (right down to the exact volume needed to qualify for their, guess what, BMW). But they will never catch us because they don’t get it. What makes us so appealing isn’t the products, it isn’t the money. It’s all about our culture. We help each other, we are totally transparent, not hiding anything. We are about changing the world. We are making a real impact in the health industry, we’ve declared war on the fast food companies. We just gave our 1 Millionth meal to our Feed the Children program. So it doesn’t matter who tries to copy us, or bad mouth us, we just keep going. Nothing will stop us. We’re not a cult. We’re just like-minded people who choose to focus on the positives in life rather than the negatives. That in itself is a healthier way to live. Less stress, less worry. Those things have just as much physical consequences as all the fast food does. Anyway, still ranting. This company isn’t for everyone. If it’s not for you, great! Go do something that is.

BECAUSE, we are educating ourselves about a product/buisness that our friend or family member has “discovered” as some miracle magical cure to all of lifes problems.  And won’t stop pushing there ideas on us as if we can’t live without this crap.  I mean, isn’t that what they teach all you mlm people? It’s fricken annoying!  THATS why we are on here.  Because all the sudden our best friend has turned in to some brainwashed salesmen…There’s plenty of healthy meal replacement options out there, that if tried for 90 days will issue the same results.  Leave us alone! And go find other mlm’s to sell to.

Visalus prefers to be called MLM instead of pyramid scheme…that’s like saying callgirl instead of whore.

Hey, if you like cold calling people like an annoying telemarketer and promoting a product 24/7, then Kudos to you!  MLM is a business model that is designed to fail for 99% of the people who join one.

I assume your business is real estate. Can’t imagine why you’re on here looking for alternate income.
Visalus is over 6 yrs old, easily going to be around for a long time. The biggest reason is because it is now owned and financially backed by a $2 Billion, publicly traded company (BTH) called Blyth. Do the research before you bad mouth.

Yeah proper diet and exercise is the key. Congrats for being one of the few who has the discipline to do that. But the fact remains that the majority of society today needs help.
That’s why 60% of American adults are overweight, 30% obese, and 17% of kids are overweight!Fast food companies are the enemy, not companies like Visalus. We’re trying to make a difference. Trying to help people change their eating habits. Our products work! And as long as the majority of society continues to have bad eating habits, there will be a HUGE market for our products.
Those are the facts.

pyramid schemenouna fraudulent scheme in which people are recruited to make payments to the person who recruited them while expecting to receive payments from the persons they recruit; when the number of new recruits fails to sustain the hierarchical payment structure the scheme collapses with most of the participants losing the money they put in. see also: Ponze schemeAn illegal pyramid scheme has no exchange or product or service. It is simply money changing hands. Bernie Madoff would promise people a return on investment, when all he was really doing was keeping most of the money and throwing a few bones to those who asked about their “investment”.By contrast, multi-level marketing is very much legal, and has it’s own industry association:The Direct Selling Association, an American industry body, reported that in 1990 twenty-five percent of members used MLM, growing to 77.3 percent in 1999.[17] Companies such as Avon, Electrolux, Tupperware,[18] and Kirby all originally used single level marketing to sell their goods and later introduced multi-level compensation plans.[19] By 2009, 94.2% of members were using MLM, accounting for 99.6% of sellers, and 97.1% of sales.[20]The DSA has approximately 200 members [21] while it is estimated there are over 1000 firms using multi-level marketing in the US alone.[22]
So, again, please get your facts before posting opinions.

As a so-called “nutritionist”, you are asking all the right questions, but you have no interest in trying to get actual answers. 
Visalus is a completely transparent company, one of the very few in this industry, and all you have to do is contact them. They are more than happy to tell you exactly what’s in the products, where they get them, and anything else you would like to know.

info@Visalus.com – send it to Audrey, she’s great!

We don’t want to be employees! Wake up! It’s your company that is using you!
Don’t believe me? Look at it this way. Who gets their cut of your income before you even see it? The IRS. Employees pay the most taxes!
As self-employed business owners, we get to take all of our business expenses, like mileage ($.54 per mile, btw), product, supplies, and more, and reduce that off of our income. Then the IRS gets their cut from that lower amount.
This is HUGE!
I don’t care if you do our business or not, but you are an idiot if you don’t have some kind of business, home-based or not, that lets you take advantage of our tax system.

Ignorange. You don’t have to buy a “new” BMW, it can be 10 yrs old. And from a tax standpoint, its better that we buy our own. We get to write off the mileage, interest on the loan, and a portion of the payments (if you have payments). 
These are all advantages of owning a business. Ask any CPA, these are all legitimate deductions.

This is different how? It doesn’t matter what business you’re in, if you buy a car, don’t pay for it, they will take it back.
If your company was going to give you $600 a month toward a car, wouldn’t you get it?
And what if your company laid you off the month after you bought it? Because if we’ve learned anything from this recent economy, it’s that NO job is truly safe.
I do this business and a plan B first. I put in spare time to grow it. Yes, I have qualified for the BMW bonus, and I proudly drive it knowing I could make the payments if Visalus stopped paying me tomorrow. Nothing in life is guaranteed. Proper planning is a must no matter what you do.
But in the meantime, I take the $600, pay for the car, the insurance, the maintenance, and still have a little extra left. I bought used, planned well. Anyone can do this too!
http://www.GetSkinnyInLex.com

There are all shapes and sizes in our company. We don’t discriminate. As fast as we’re growing, we have many new people. Weight loss takes time. Most of them probably have lost some weight, but no one is going to be Kate Moss!

Congrats to you! You are one of the very few with the discipline to eat right. Unfortunately, the majority of people don’t have your discipline. That’s why there is a market for our products, and all the other products that make up the $100 Billion health and fitness industry!
Big picture! Wake up!

Bravo! Well done. You have said it perfectly.

99.9% of regular people who don’t like this industry would never even see this article.
Who is really here bad mouthing Visalus? Reps of other companies.
Face it, they’re jealous.

That’s just what it is, a story of fiction.

You left out the part where those 2 guys, when the company was going under, bought that company and used their own money to make sure their people still got paid.
You also left out how a third guy, who wasn’t from network marketing, had started and sold multiple multi-million dollar companies, and has immense respect in the business world, joined the other 2 guys in building this company.
Further more, you left out how a $2 Billion, publicly traded company has so much faith in this company that it bought it.

I love how you can take just a few vague (known) items, and twist them to sound how you want it to.
Looking at the whole picture, your story doesn’t stand on its own.

We aren’t employees, we don’t want to be employees. You go ahead and keep slaving for someone else, making them rich.
We’re just fine.
Entrepreneurs have the ability to create something from nothing. We work for ourselves, we set our own hours, we are the makers of our own futures.

Do you have a plan B if you were laid off tomorrow? Because finding another J.O.B. won’t be as easy as you think.

It’s not a “company” car, its MY car. I don’t rely on my company to pay for it. They just happen to give me an extra bonus for having one. Its my choice. I wasn’t forced to get it. But most people I talk to, if given the choice, wouldn’t mind driving one.
And I’m sure if you don’t do your job, you couldn’t afford yours either. The difference is, you don’t get to write off car expenses, mileage, or anything else. I do. What does that mean?
Here’s an example:
Employee –                                      Earns        $60K
Taxes paid (taken immediately) average  33%    - $20K
                                   Take home amount          $40K

Self-employed:    Earns the same $60K, but that’s their take home amount!
Takes legitimate business expense deductions   – $15K
                           New taxable amount               $45K
Using the same tax bracket (33%) only pays    $15K  in taxes.

So a business owner takes home $20K more, pays $5K less in taxes!
That’s a $15K difference! Can you say NO BRAINER!
                      

You don’t “get better” from diabetes, RA, or MS. You get better from a cold.

And what does he have to do when he “leaves the company”? Buy a car.
Our car is our own, we tax-deduct some of the expenses, which your family doesn’t get to do. The company he works for takes those benefits.

Very well said. I can tell that you probably went to the national event in Atlanta also :D they can copy us, but they can’t catch us! But you’re right, most people who bash the company or it’s concepts, have either had a bad experience in a similar company/concept in the past, or are just jumping on the bandwagon of “if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is, and I should just stick to my minimum wage job for the rest of my life” mentality. If people knew the FACTS they’d have nothing bad to say. Because honestly, there IS nothing bad to say about it. The product works, the money is real, peoples lives are really changing, and the company is set up to be effective in a down economy. I just hope people do their research and see what this company is all about, so that they can hopefully help others as well as themselves. That’s the point of this business!

When the business was not doing very well they came up with the BMW pull.  This was story of how it all began.  It does not matter how many people get involved it still is a scam period. Beleive people their people which they do not even recognixe getting paid is a minor detail to them.

An employee reaps benefits for their efforts. The Business owners take the responsibilty. You are the one who needs to wake up. You are the ones who does the work, takes the risk, pays the expenes and Visalus reaps the benefits. STOP! THINK!  It is better to not have to spent the money to start with then to spend it and then try to get a little back from the IRS. If you drive on your job for any company and they don’t reimburse  you (most do because people would not put up with having to pay it theirselves) you can count it off their income taxes but who wants to foot the bill for a company and then see if you can get it back on a bteak on your income tazes. Get Real. If you don’t spend money then you are a head get it. You are not taking advantage of the tax law Visalus is taking advantage of you. Anyone who falls for this ploy is indeed an idiot.

He drives a new car, it is paid for, taxes & liceneses, repairs, services, car wash, new tires,etc. paid for.  When he leaves the company he can buy him a new car with out all those miles on it with the money he saved from having  the upkeep of an old car. And he can use it for just pleasure. Also a company leases so many cars that at the end of the lease they usually allow the employee to purchase it for a very reduced rate. He has been the only one who drove it and he kept it up so a lot of the times if they need an extra car they will buy it.

These zombies just back from their lastest brainwashing section. Spouting the anti corporate mind jargon is really sad.  The really sad case will settle in when all the people they have cohersed into this product (friends and family) dries up.  They will have everyone mad at them and no one left to scam.  The stories get getting lamer and lamer. The Lies bigger and bigger. Poor fools wont listen to people who have been there. They are like a cult lying to each other scheming their next trick.  Saying that there are copies of Visalus! Where have you been these pyramid schemes have beed around since the beginning of time.  This is just the hot one right now and it to will play out. Oh by the way I am not searching for anything I just like to bring reality to the delussional.  Don’t fall over something with you being in a trance and all…….

a ponzie scheme is a pyramid that involves money but not products (Our buddy Bernie) is not legal. Pyramids are mlm that have a products to make them legal and are usually cheap made over priced products( our buddy Visalus) because they are only incidential anyway. Companies like the ones you mention have dozens of products that are resonable priced. They depend alot, but may grow, on representatives selling to friends and families. All the products above but Avon have branched out into stores. Avon has gone more to catalogue and internet sales. The main thing that differs these from scams like Visalus is they do not rely on recruitment for their business. Also you forgot to mention the thousands up on thousands that have come and gone some with big waves some with only a trickle. I do think that after the financial troubles we have been experencing that they will be tighten up on pyramid scams like Visalus.  In bad times the what is called (last dollar) companies come out of the woodwork.  They are called that because they know people are desperate and will try anything to make a living so they squeeze the last dollar they have out of them.      Nice People.

If you two knew the facts you would not all be chanting the same inane message that you got at your brain washing session.  Drink your kool-aid and do what the nice men say. Baa Baa Baa

Good take pictures you’ll need something to remind you when it all disappears as it truly must. Enjoy your fake business and your fake titles and your fake life.

You need to read all the other post about the people who didn’t get their money back.  It always is great for the first 6 months or so.

I want pretend that I know all there is to know about God.  But I think in any religion it is frowned on to lie and scam people.  But I guess you not having a moral compass makes it alright.

I say you have been heavy on the kool-aid.

You know nothing about finances or You would know that money not spent is yours. That having a tax deduction does not make up for the money you sp[ent. He buys a new car with all the money he has saved from not having to keep up a car.  A car for pleasure not business.

Please get your facts straight before posting.  Here you go, right from Wikipedia:

Again, have fun calling everyone trying to sell them this stuff. “hey listen to this 4 minute message about how great Visalus is …. how could you not sign up or this pyram…um..I mean .MLM Opportunity?”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme#Connection_to_multi-level_marketing

Chernobyl had a control system that failed. MLMs have no control
mechanisms at all. Where is the “switch” that can be flipped in an MLM
when enough sales people are hired? In a normal company a manager says,
“We have enough, let’s stop hiring people at this point.” But in an MLM,
there is no way to do this. An MLM is a human “churning” machine with
no “off button.” Out of control by design, its gears will grind up the
money, time, credibility, and entrepreneurial energy of well-meaning
people who joined merely to supplement their income. Better to just
steer clear of this monster to begin with. There is simply no way to
avoid the built-in failure mechanism of MLMs. If a company chooses to
market this way, it will eventually “hire” (with no base pay and
charging to join) far too many people.
Thus, the only “control
system” will be the inevitable losses and subsequent bad image the MLM
company will gain after it does what it was designed to do: fail. And
sooner or later we have got to stop blaming this particular MLM company
or that, and admit that the MLM technique itself is fundamentally
flawed.  
For most MLMs, the product is really a mere diversion from
the real profit-making dynamic. To anyone familiar with MLMs, the
previous discussion (which focused so much on the fact that MLMs are
“doomed by design” to reach market saturation and thus put the people
who are legitimately trying to sell the product into a difficult
situation) may seem to miss the point. The product or service may well
be good, and it might oversaturate at some point, but let’s get serious.
The product is not the incentive to join an MLM. Otherwise people might
have shown an interest in selling this particular product or service
before in the real world. The product is the excuse to attempt to
legitimate the real money-making engine. It’s “the cover.”
Intuitively, we all know what is really going on with MLMs. Just don’t use the word “pyramid”!
“You
see, if you can convince ten people that everyone needs this product or
service, even though they aren’t buying similar products available in
the market, and they can convince ten people, and so on, that’s how you
make the real money. And as long as you sell to a few people along the
way, it is all legal.” Maybe…
But the way to make money in all
this is clearly not by only selling product, otherwise you might have
shown an interest in it before, through conventional market
opportunities. No, the “hook” is selling others on selling others on
“the dream.”

Some schemes may purport to sell a product, but they often simply use the product to hide their pyramid structure.

As with Visalus, no real wealth can be achieved unless you recruit a huge downline – thus this gives you the pyramid scheme structure…Honestly, I find it very amusing whenever I hear n MLMer trying to argue against this fact…

99% of people who join an MLM will make no money and/or lose money. Again, not an opinion, just a fact.

LMAO!  Wow, I’d love to see what colour the sky is in your world!

You MLMers crack me up!  Give your little math formula to the 99% of the distributors who didn’t make any money in MLM!  They’d be more than happy to keep their job -plus all company benefits, pension plan health and life insurance, holidays, sick days…and they get to keep work at work at the end of the day… not like a Visalus Rep working 24 hrs a day…yeah, it’s a no brainer all right!

You know nothing about taxes. The tax laws were written a hundred years ago for business owners when most people were business owners. Farmers, professionals, shop keepers, etc. The industrial revolution caused many people to go to work for companies, but the tax laws remain in favor of business owners. How many people do you know that make over $250K per/yr? If you know any, how many of those are employees? I rest my case. You don’t get rich being an employee. And no, I don’t own Visalus. But, as an independent contractor I have many more freedoms than you do working for someone else. The fact that I receive all of what I worked for, not just what’s left after the gov takes their cut, makes it all worth it. I control what I pay them because I get it before they do. I’m not saying I evade paying taxes. I just take advantage of the way the tax laws are written, which all good CFO’s do, to maximize my deductions, and legally pay less in taxes than you do. You go ahead and keep working for the feds from Jan thru April. I want to keep the money I worked for.

By a poster named Jerry – everyone pondering joining this MLM should read this:

I have read most of the posts on this page & nearly everything of what I have read from the “haters” is true.

Never mind whether or not the product “works” or not.

Never mind that some initial residual income can be made.

Take a look at what will be lost if you decide to become a distributor:

1) Friends

The
Visalus gods will “train” you to transform your personal facebook page
into a selling tool.  You will have to constantly blast out your link,
praying to god that someone clicks on it and joins so you can make your
monthly goal.  Imagine if one of your friends asked you to buy their
product, all day every day, you continue to tell them “no”, but they ask
anyway?  Your true friends on facebook will diminish as people start to
block and delete you.  You will not even notice, however, since you
will be bombarded with friend requests from others in the business, so
that they can all copy and paste each other’s facebook posts to use on
their victims, err, I mean facebook friends.  And NEVER make the mistake
of telling these people how you feel.  You will get ripped a new one
similar to some of the comments made on this page by people you have
been close with all your life.

2) Your Real Job

I have
personally seen four of my close friends and family either lose or quit
their jobs to take on this venture.  Visalus will convince you that you
will make so much money by joining, that you will no longer need that
“deadend job” with all those horrible things, like job security and
benefits and such.  I have seen friends quit their jobs and go on state
assistance for medical benefits to persue this “dream” as they call it.
 They will brag about their weekly paychecks, but will never actually
show you proof, since they don’t want you to know how little they make.

I have seen a friend lose their job, since their boss finally got tired of all the Visalus talk at work.

3) Your Integrity

Before
you decide to take that “leap of faith” into this venture, look at the
business model.  It will saturate.  Once it fully saturates, it will
collapse.  Once it collapses, all the people you convinced to join will
never trust you again.  Is this something you want?  Is it worth the
money?

4) Common Sense

It is common to be skeptical before
joining something like this, and it’s for a good reason.  Once people
join, they get so suckered in that they somehow believe everything that
they’re told.  I remember all these people bragging about how the CEO of
this company was appearing on Dr. Phil.  Did it happen?  no.  Some
people have even gone so far as to claim this product will help cure
cancer and depression.  All I can saw is “wow”.  It is advertised as a
cure-all so that it will appeal to as many people as possible.  The
founders of this company have psychology degrees for a reason.  They are
trained motivational speakers that will convince the biggest of
skeptics and turn them into sheep in one sitting.

5) Money

Why
do you think it costs money to join?  Part will go to Visalus, part
will go to the team of people that brought you on.  Now that they got
your money, you’re on your own.  If you have an ambitious upline, they
will help you recruit people if they have their eye on the prize of
getting that wonderful “free” BMW (don’t even get me started on that
one.  Trust me, it’s not free, it’s a reimbursement program as long as
you continue to make that monthly goal.  Do you really think you will
make your monthly goal for the life of those car payments?  I promise
you, you will not, and end up paying for it with all the “profits” you
will make from selling the products.  At best, you will break even in
the end).  You will tackle your close friends and family first, and then
you will realize that you have no one left to sell to.  Then comes the
interesting part.  You will have to travel all over the country starting
up these “challenge parties” to recruit people.  Who pays for this?
 You.  Who has the time for this?  People desperate to make this work.
 Who gets the shaft from this?  Your family, your friends…all the
people who have been there for you all along.  Suddenly they will not
matter.  All that is important is that Ambassador level, so you can get
that black jacket and brag to all your old friends and say “I told U
so”, as this company trains people to think and say.  They will even
have you use this as your licence plate.  It gets better, it is
mandatory for you to pose in front of that black BMW using the “shocker”
hand sign, so they can pimp you out for marketing purposes.  You have
no choice in the matter.  You just sold yourself to the company and they
can use your image however they like for as long as they like, even
after you left them.

6) Your Health

This is something I’ve
been witnessing that no one seems to talk about.  People who have been
drinking these shakes for awhile now seem to be getting sick alot.  And I
mean alot.  If you want to feel sick all the time, this is the product
for you.  But, you’ll be losing weight, so I guess it’s ok.  You will
experience constant diarrhea once you start taking this stuff, but you
are trained that this is normal and that your body is somehow going
through a detox process.  Really?  The human body is not meant to
survive on a liquid diet.  What happens once you get off the stuff?
 I’ll let you figure out that one on your own…not pretty.

7) Do you need any more reasons?

I
feel so sad that some of my friends and family decided to go this
route.  We no longer speak to each other, since I am labelled a “hater”
with no ambition.  They claim they are an elite part of society and
are entrepreneurs.  I think this point has been discussed in earlier
posts, but these Visalus people refuse to see reality.  You have NO
control over this company, you are NO entrepreneur.  

I’m sure I
will be ripped apart here for making these comments, but it’s nothing I
haven’t heard before.  At least be original and stop making the usual
remarks on how Ryan Blair is a rags to riches story (thanks to his
step-father funding the whole thing), and how it’s “working” for so many
people.  Water and carrots work for losing weight, but not the best way
to approach the problem.  Do you really want to drink these shakes for
the rest of tour life?

And of course, I wish “Vitality” to you all. ;)

14 days.  Wow that’s outstanding.  Not. I’ve noticed all the “supporters” of Visalus have only been on for a short amount of time.  Tell me the same thing in a year or two and I might believe it. 

Your comments sound like ads.  Too reminiscent of others that I have read.

Again, you sound like…guess what?  A salesman!

The company wouldn’t NEED to encourage you to lie…the business model is set up in such a way that you would see the benefit in lying all by yourself.  I’m sure that’s what she meant.

After reading all the comments from both ends of the spectrum, it seems to me that if the truth is that this is such a great amazing product, then why would the company need or want to be an MLM?  Why bother with distributors and BMW’s and all that jazz?  The only reason I can think is because of what this article is saying, that it isn’t about the PRODUCT, but about the money, made so easily in this pyramid scheme.  The nature of the business scheme and marketing proclaim the truth quite loudly, in my opinion.

All you people who are currently selling Visalus sound the same.  Don’t you realize that?  Awfully incriminating…  It doesn’t sound real.  I mean, maybe you’re right, but you need to be more convincing and quit sounding like a sales ad. :-P

CRAP CRAP CRAP!!  It might work for some people, but there is a lot of bull-shitting and ripping people off involved.   Nope….not good for my Conscience.

6 months.  Wow, that’s really long-term.  It’s interesting to me that everyone on here who is promoting Visalus and claiming that it’s such a great product and business plan, have not been doing it for even a year.  I want to know what you all will be saying in two years.  5 years.  10 years?  I’m somewhat skeptical that you will still be singing it’s praises.  I think the answer is in the business model itself.  If it was such a great product, why would they NEED an MLM model?  To give people the opportunity to make money?  Yeah right.  No one is that altruistic.  Most businesses are in the business of making money.

By the way, your post sounds just like everyone elses.  Giant red flag, imo.

It doesn’t have to be scam, it’s just a business model that is set up for a short-term success.  I do not see this being profitable for the long-term.  I’ve already seen the trend of people dropping out and sales declining.  It’s a fad, once it’s over, all these distributors will need to move on to a new MLM.

Common Sense 101 tells me that this all sounds suspicious, research or no.  Every comment on here from a Visalus user or seller sounds strangely similar, and I have yet to see one who has been on this product even a year.  Most 2 weeks to 6 months.  That is not “evidence” of it’s success.  It’s a fad.  It’s a short-term money maker.  I can tell that it won’t last.  If the product was so great, there would be no need for the MLM model.  THAT is the money-maker, not the product.  The fact that you make your money based on who you can get signed on is suspicious enough for me.  I don’t think that necessarily makes it a “scam”, but I doubt anyone is going to get rich off of it.

I guess everyone would rather every product be in major stores so that only a select few profit from the sales rather than distributing the wealth to those willing to put in the work.  MLM is simply the ability to set up distribution channels, if you don’t understand that you probably have no business listing off preselected facts about an industry in which you have not dedicated at least five years towards to educate yourself.  I’m sure your the type of person that knows how to make the restaurant better, but have never worked in on for more than a few months.  Or the guy that knows exactly what play your favorite football team should have called for the win, but have never invested enough time to coach to ever know what coaching is all about.  Most people who start in the junior college system don’t graduate from a four year university, does that mean we should do away with the college system because many don’t make it?  The main difference (and it is obvious in many of the negative posts that this is a major point of influence), is that in the direct selling or mlm business model, security is dependent on one’s own drive and efforts, where as in traditional job/business model security is backed by the company.  Either way you have to perform to keep your check coming in, or is that not a fact?  Either way someone who has been in the business longer than you or works harder than you is making more money than you.  Or is that not a fact?  I challenge anyone to show me a job or business model or organization or church or school or student council or police force or department store that is not designed like a pyramid when broken down in organizational chart form.  There are just as many if not more traditional companies doing harm to people and taking advantage of them than mlm companies.  Watch 20 minutes of tv and there is an ad for a pill that has more side effects than the systems we started with, there are junk food and high sugar product ads targeting kids, and tobacco and alcohol ad targeting everyone!  The thing is, just as with supporting those companies it all comes down to personal choice.  If you truly cared about people getting taken advantage of, or any cause for that matter, then you would take action that would make a real impact on this world, not just ranting with a bunch of sour sounding, whiny, unreferenced “facts”.  I could care less what people think of this industry because I know that with every single industry in the world today there are good apples and bad apples.  It is each of our job to do the proper research to filter the bad from the good, then take a calculated risk based on that research.  Disgruntled folks who have had a few bad experiences should be required to disclose what their real experience is, I respect your opinions because they are yours, and we all have our own.  However, it makes it real difficult to take anything from these types of comments serioous without that back story.  If you were someone who got screwed over by a money hungry salesman type, well that sucks, but that is not exclusive to this industry or one company. I wish everyone on here finds success at doing something that they are comfortable with and hopefully it will include helping and supporting your fellow man, not ripping down risk takers who want a better life than they have known for too long.  Peace.

It doesn’t matter what industry you’re in, what job you have, or what life you lead. Anyone can see the benefits to lying to get what you want. When someone has integrity, honor, discipline, and ethics, lying isn’t an option. I run my business, as do the founders of Visalus, under those standards. That’s why this company will be around for a long time.

The point here is no one is trying to disrespect you or your choses but are trying to share with you their life experiences.  These pyramid scams have come and gone since the beginning of tme.  The only thing new are the people who don’t know better.  You are being used and brainwashed for a few.  They do not consider you at all.  They want you to do the work for them, take the risk, and put your money up for the expenses of a cheap product that stores will not carry.  They know they could not compete in the market place.They want you to lie to your friends and family and push this stuff off on them.  Using the love and respect that they have for you. They are taking advantage of people who have not had the experience to know better.

You really need to go to school and learn about finances.  Those business deductions you have taken off are expenses that you have already paid for, so you are simply putting amount of money that has already come out of your pocket down.  I bet you any business would let you pay their expenses in exchange for the taxes saved.  You are saying let me pay that $200 gas bill so I get to take off .20 from my taxes.  Get real!!!  I am an accountant and  I wish taxes were that easy.  But there is such a thing as income levels and a lot of other things that go into the amount of taxes you pay.  By your faulty calculation you still lose. Because your $5K has already been spent by you or you never would have been able to take it off. You do all the work, take all the risk, and pay all the expenses.  What business wouldn’t want that deal.  There is no benefits and since they don’t claim you as an employee you even have to pay both sides of your social security taxes ( what does that do to your little dream). You are not a business owner you don’t own anything. You are a flunky for a useless shake company.The wonderful BMW is yours alright along with the lease or loan payment.  This a no brainer for a company like Visalus, they take done of the risk.  If you don’t sell you are stuck with it even if you cann’t afford it and it is your credit that is ruinned if you cann’t.  All the repairs, insurance, maintenance, etc. are also yours.  Have fun in your delusional world. 

Yeah in your dreams. When you get so bored with your shake then what?

You sound like you sell it to me.  Doctors and nurses are not allowed to recommend over the counter not prescribed) brands.  It is against board practices. The more desperate the distributors( used lightly) get the wilder their claims get)

Good post.  Visalus is nothing more than Nutrition Quackery.  Too good to be true, fake testomonials, logic without proof, and a motive of personal gain. Losing weight the healthy way, with a diet that you can do forever instead of a temporary fix. 

Sue you don’t sell it. You spout the same chant.

Congrats to your weight loss.  But once you get tired of drinking visalus shakes.  Be prepared to watch the weight come back plus more unless you do something realistic like eating a sound diet that you can do forever.

DUH!!!!!

I have to say one thing about these guys they really know how to brainwash.  How do you know what the founders do? From what I have read about them they are not the choir boys you think. They are good at comvince people to pay for the expenses and because they can count it off their taxes THEY are doing them a favor. How good id that.

6 years ago the owners had a long distance scam that went under leaving everybody but them holding the bag.

They will gladly give you a load of bull.

I do know about taxes. To be able to take it off as a expense you first have to spend it.Let me say this again you have to spend it. It is gone. Then you get to save a little on your taxes because you SPENT IT. How do you come out ahead.  Any business would let you pay their expenses in exchange for claiming them on your taxes. It may cost you $200 to save .20 in taxes. If you can come out ahead on this you are truly a genius.  And by the way since we are talking taxes you better but away about 15% to pay both sides of your social security and medicare taxes. Good luck with your illusions of grandure.

The only reason 99% of people join is because they were made to believe selling this will make them rich, and they can earn prizes.  The very few people who do make money have no family life because they are constantly on the phone trying to recruit, constantly on the road traveling to “parties” trying to recruit, and literally eat, sleep and drink the business.  VERY time consuming and they are not really “helping” anyone else but themselves….even though that is what they preach.

I love my job.  When I am done working I go home to my family. I have benefits. I make good money. I lost a lot of weight years ago and have never gained it back.  I lost weight the way weight is meant to come off, by EATING and being more active.  That is why I have not gained it back.  I get to thank myself for what I accomplished.  Anyone who is willing to fast on a liquid diet, has the willpower to just stop eating so much.  Save your money and get healthy the way we have on this earth since we have been here!

Visalus people all speak like hypnotized zombies.  They are not original in their thinking. They are taught to repeat phrases and use certain key words.  It’s all about getting people under you as sellers.  That is what the “business” is really about. 

They post pictures of themselves overweight YEARS before they started taking the product and then a current picture to claim their new bodies were created by a drink.  SAD  I know first hand a couple who are “ambassadors” who are the same weight now as they were 6 months ago and they are still overweight.  They are constantly saying how they are doing another “challenge” and continue to brag about weightloss.  The majority of sellers lie, brag and say whatever they think you need to hear to be convinced you have to join.  This company preys on people with low self esteem, people who are struggling and people who don’t have many friends.

Anybody who loses weight should realize it is due to calorie restriction.  Anybody who loses weight and then starts eating again, will gain it back. Be careful.  Be smart. 

When I witness sellers working on convincing others to buy in, it reminds me of a carnival, and a booth w/ a fortune teller.  You sit and listen to them, and get brainwashed as they tell you what you want to hear.  Then you give them money.  I am sad for the people sellers USE.

The scariest part is the outrageous claims sellers make about the shakes healing powers.  Let’s not be that gullable please! Of course if you lose weight you will feel better and losing weight relieves many symptoms.  To tell people it is because of a drink, is a scam, and you are being selfish lying and exagerating to people. GREEDY!

Of course sellers are going to try their hardest to defend what they are doing, that is expected.  They are “trained” about what to say and how to respond.  If people always have an answer for every question asked, that is a red flag!

Ok so this is a scheme yet people who are taking the product are changing there lives and becoming happy, healthy and they are still given the opportunity to make some money if they want to?

I have a manager where i work use this product after his father died of a heart attack, and he has lost 40 pounds and is the best shape of his life and couldnt have done it without this product to replace meals with.

Just because you suck at this concept of marketing, or you dont like the product doenst mean its an evil scheme. This is america, these things are possible so why not let them be.

You wake up.  If you can get by drinking a shake you can eat right.

Over saturation.

I certainly am not a rep for another company.  I would never work for a company that I would have to prey on my family and friends. The thought doing this kind of work turns my stomach. I would rather keep my soul.

You had to spend $20K to save $5K.  Tell you what I’ll save you some time and trouble send me the $20k and I’ll send you $5K back and then we will both be happy.

You may not believe in the MLM business model, which I understand, but you should do your research about the products.  You have information about the pills above that is incorrect.  They are not selling “diet pills”, it’s a very healthy meal replacement shake and they sell high quality chelated vitamins.  Again, do your research before  you write your rant.

Every business has expenses. That’s the price of being in business for yourself. As a business owner, I get to be in charge of my taxes. How do you think the rich get that way? They utilize the system that’s available to them. They know how to play the game. That’s the difference, employees don’t even get in the game because they never even see all of their money. The gov gets it’s cut before you even see it. Think of it this way: (This is from Robert Kiyosaki)
Picture yourself at a job interview. Which side of the table did you picture yourself? That’s my point. Which side of the table should you want to be on? Until you get rid of that employee mentality, you will never be rich, and you will never understand any of what we entrepreneurs are saying. It’s beyond your ability to comprehend.

Then why are you here wasting your time talking about it?

I get my shake/smoothie mix delivered right o my door every month. Each shake costs me less than $2, $49 for 30 meals. I get over $100 worth of grocery nutrition in 1 shake! If you can go to the grocery and “eat right” for less than $2, i’d like to see how, and what, you’re eating. And in this fast paced world, very few folks have the time to go to the grocery and plan out every single meal anyway. We’re offering a healthy, less expensive, time saving alternative to fast food. How is that taking advantage of people. It’s called free will. We simple share what we have to offer. If people see how it can benefit them, great! If it’s not for them, that’s great too. We don’t (at least I don’t, nor do I teach my team to) waste time trying to push anything on anyone. There are plenty of other folks to share this with. And the bigger we get, the easier it is.

They bought what was left of that company and used their own money so their teams would keep getting paid. They bought the “bag” and used their own money to fill it so others wouldn’t lose out.

These are expenses you would have anyway. The difference is the ability to deduct them. Why is that so hard to understand?

Hi Elizzyp,

Been reading through the posts here, and it seems like you really hate Visalus.  Which is fine – I’m not a Visalus distributor or anything (just doing research).  But fussing at a company because the bulk of distributors don’t make much (or any) money doesn’t seem very valid in my mind.

Any business venture is just that – a venture, involving risk.  If enough capital is brought to the table, that risk can be mitigated.  (e.g., you buy a franchise and invest $500k – $1m, then you have a good chance of succeeding).  But it’s still a chance, a risk.

With these types of MLm businesses, startup capital is low, and the marketing responsibility is put on the distributor.  I think the issue is that with a low ceiling, it attracts a bunch of people with no business experience, no marketing experience, and very little capital.  Most businesses take years to get into the black.  Someone who has zero savings, zero experience, and zero knowledge of growing a business probably isn’t going to succeed, as all those ingredients are essential for success.

Even then, most businesses (any kind of business) fail.  I don’t necessarily think this makes business, in general, a scam.  And I wouldn’t say the bulk of entrepreneurs in business “drink the kool-aid” either.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=HLF

I understand that theoretically, MLM’s are “doomed by design”.  And yet…

1. Social security continues to pay out
2. Amway continues to sell and grow
3. Herbalife continues to be public, and make the monies

Visalus could fail, and so could other MLM’s.  But for every one example that fails, there are other examples where they somehow defy the laws of MLM failure…and succeed.

It’s not as easy and cut-and dried as the marketers and promoters of MLM make it out to be.  But it’s also not as simple as “it’s designed to fail” and “people on top make the money, people on bottom lose it”.  Plenty of these companies (and distributors) make money, though most will lose money or break even. 

@jpf – High quality vitamins can be purchased at your local grocery store/health food store, etc…and by purchasing them at these stores, you save a ton on shipping, you’re not put on “auto-ship” and have your credit card charged every month, and you can have a clear conscious that you’re not contributing to a pyram,,,,I mean MLM.

I am a 19 year old successful business owner that has worked very hard for what he has. I sold this product for a little while as I was sucked into it like everyone else by trying it and loosing 40 pounds. little did I know all of the weight would come back. I then went on a weight loss kick again, but this time without the shakes. I now am able to maintain a weight I am happy with. Without that shake, the people on it gain all of the weight back. Its a horrible scam. I ask anyone selling this product to strongly reconsider. 

My friend Kevin Merriweather became a 5 star ambassador in 19 months and is now a millionaire…My friend David is Presidential Director, and Sean a Regional Director…Visalus is real and so is network marketing. A JOB is more of a scam than this. Visit http://www.globalfitness.bodybyvi.com This blog is bogus and the author is misguided…

Network marketing is about puting money in the hands of people instead of directing money to large corporations that pay low salaries and outsource to other countries. Network Marketing creates millionaires…Who was the last millionaire your job created without hitting the lottery…

I can only speak for MYSELF but I am LOVING my VI-LIFE-Shakes! I was very skeptical at first but after doing my research I decided to try it due to nothing but my first $100.00 to lose, what the hell…. I lost 10 lbs my first week along with 4 inches with NO exercise… I am continuing it due to my great results thus far, and better yet…. mine is FREE because I got 3 others interested with GREAT results…. People are going to bash ANY and ALL MLM’s. Look up ANY MLM and you will read bashing/horrible postings about it being so bad. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and you MUST be an ADULT to purchase from Visalus….  I have gone down to ONE shake a day to maintain my weight and get my much needed vitamins… I have NOT gained back my unwanted weight and I do eat shitty every now and then! ANY “diet” people do is a LIFEstyle change, not a quick fix and move on. I have not heard of ONE “diet” where you can lose 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 + pounds and stop and not gain anything back, it is called a LIFEstyle change for a reason!

I believe you are brainwashed and you are misguided.  I would rather be poor and healthy than use people to make a buck and gain fake friends and gain weight after fasting off shakes.  You are right, its just marketing.  Not how I choose to present myself to others.  I am a person of integrity and don’t find the need to force people into believing what I tell them.

And millionaires are not common and anyone who does make money selling anything in this type of business sacrifices their family life, and has no time for their real friends.  It’s a very snobby way of life, and I will be no ones puppet!

I love my  real job.  I go to work, I get paid well with full benefits.  I go home to my family and friends and they get my genuine attention and honest devotion.

A JOB is the biggest scam there is for most people.  You give ALL your time and dedication to something that just shits on you in the end! ITS TERRIBLE!!  Visalus and network marketing gives average people the opportunity to do above average things PERIOD!  If you think otherwise, then you REALLY need to educate yourself.  If they didn’t work, their wouldn’t be 5000 network marketing companies and this wouldn’t be a BILLION dollar industry.  Please don’t be out here spreading false information. Thank You!

@Jarone in the HOUSE – You must have had a terrible job…I love my job: it pays me great money, guaranteed pension
plan, tons of advancement (which I take full advantage of), health and
life insurance, job security, recognition…do your research and see how
many people sign up for these mlms  and make no money or lose
money…the MLM company makes money on the backs of these individuals. Any and every statement that supports the contention that MLM is based on credible integrity is a lie.

i have never been skeptical because I was never interested in the first place.  It’s a new thing on the market going through a hype phase..  Losing weight for health reasons is to be commended, but drinking your way to lose weight is not healthy.  People are meant to eat their meals and nutrition, just like we have been doing since the beginning of time.  We have already proven to ourselves we know how to not become extint.  It just blows my mind how people get suckeed every day.  Yes if a person wants to lose weight it is a lifestyle change. I am not interested in losing my friends and family over a drink, and I am disgusted by the majority of sellers behavior and false claims. 

Nice pitch…you have the same exact “Web site” as every Visalus distributor …there are other Visalus distributors who already posted their link here, so I guess too late for you if you’re looking for prospects lol!

That’s what you want to believe – you must have had/have a crappy job…I love my job…it pays me very well, guaranteed pension plan, health, dental and life insurance benefits, plenty of advancement, recognition…

You are not a business owner when you sign up to become a Visalus distributor. You have no control over the products, no control over compensation, no control over your downline (although some still try to treat  them as their employees), no control over team calls, no control over events, no ownership or stake in Visalus, and lastly, no control over the over-saturated market that will eventually be.

Have fun calling everyone you know like an annoying telemarketer trying to sell them on this “opportunity”.

That’s what you want to believe – you must have had/have a crappy job…I love my job…it pays me very well, guaranteed pension plan, health, dental and life insurance benefits, plenty of advancement, recognition…

You are not a business owner when you sign up to become a Visalus distributor. You have no control over the products, no control over compensation, no control over your downline (although some still try to treat  them as their employees), no control over team calls, no control over events, no ownership or stake in Visalus, and lastly, no control over the over-saturated market that will eventually be.

Have fun calling everyone you know like an annoying telemarketer trying to sell them on this “opportunity”.

To the pyramid thing:  Who on here has a boss?  Who has a boss who has a boss?  How about a president?  VP?  CEO?  Yep, thats a pyramid :)  Everything is a pyramid!!!  ViSalus is a life changing product, unless you have tried it, don’t bash it.

You obibiously don’t know what a pyramid id. You were recurited and down you have to recruit others. You paid and so will the ones you recruit.  The money you make us dependented on you recruiting.. The company takes no responsibilty for you and has nothing tied up in you.  That is a pyramid. Having bosses doen’t make a pyramid.

The only millionaires are the ones who statred this scam.  It is about selling a cheap product that would not make it in stores with out investing any money.  You get the fools to sell it to their family and friends and foot all the exspense. It is not meant to last long just grab what you can  while you can.

You have got to be kidding, no one is that gullible

The product is a cheap made, cheap packaged,cheap printed.rip off.  ait is better to get your vitamins from a varity of food.  Your body does not need all of those vitamins and some can even be harmful

You are right in saying that mlms attract people with little resources. That is the point it really makes me mad to see people who are desperate preyed on for the benefit of some con artist. They have these meetings and prey on the weakness of these people. Mlm always fail because of over saturation. These people end up with no friends, family mad at them and in worse financial shape and no one cares. I don’t like to see people taken advantage of especially when their children pay pay some of the price.  You can say it is their own fault that is what the mlms teach you.  But were is the moral principal at.  IT hurts people and IT just isn’t right.

You lie and manipulate people.  You take advantage of people’s bad body image, their desire to belong and of course their need to make money. You intice them with BMW and prize.  You brain wash them into thinking it is ok to con people.  It is not ok. it is wrong. Shame on you and all the other representatives.  Use your common sense and moral compass. You have to know it is wrong.

You forgot to mention that you have to do this every month. Titles and bimmers are easy come and easy go.  How would anyone like to be promoted for a month?

I try to right wrong where ever I see it. I have morals. That is a fault of mine.

Yeah it is beyond my ability to see how calling yourself entrepreneurs (one of their brainwashing techniques, self delussion, do you really think selling a cheap shake makes you a entrepreneurs) make it a good ideal to spend $20K to get $5K back.  I’ll keep my $20K let the company I work for pay it and they can have the $5K back. LOL  Where is your common sense did they wash it away during the brain washing. I can not beleif people actually fall for this bull.

With a reputable company they would pay the expenses not you. Do you actually don’t have the common sense to see that not paying for the expenses in the first place makes you come out way ahead.

I am sure Warren Buffet couldn’t careless about Visalus

Brittshepperd:  have you looked at the main ingredient in the shakes?  It’s soy.  Have you ever researched soy-based products …also a scam.  Get a brain.  Pyramid or not, the fact is, you are making money off of selling people shit products.  These people are naive and vulnerable because they will do anything to lose weight…you might as well be selling them cocaine.  It’s an obvious scam….in more than one sense of the word.

You are missing the point entirely (like all the other mlmers)…pyramids, or mlms if you will, make their money and growth from “memberships”, people who “sign up” to become distributors…the structure is the same with all pyarm…I mean MLMs…

By your logic, everything is a pyramid…that makes no sense whatsoever…what about government departments and agencies, crown corporations, international companies, franchises…their org. charts certainly do NOT make a pyramid, but rather branch out several ways and offer numerous services, jobs, contracts, and products that consumers actually need.

I’ve tried it…been there done that…and as embarrassed as I am for having participated and spewed the same cliched garbage that you just did, I’ve learned an good lesson: unless you LIKE calling everyone you know and try to sell them on this stuff and promote this product 24/7 to make $5.00 an hour, than best just to steer clear of this MLM.

Soy is horrible. Raises estrogen levels. What guy wants higher estrogen levels? And for the people that are on here saying ” I lost 10 pounds in a week without exercise”, that’s a calorie deficit for you. Obviously if you burn more calories than you take in, you lose weight. Try getting off your ass, work out and eat right instead of buying a worthless product to do it for you. I’m a firm believer in finding out for yourself so anyone who is stupid enough to try to be a distributor, go for it and let us all know how it works out for you. Our society is utterly embarrassing…..

Pyramid or no pyramid… Just look at the size of some of the winners on that photo.  How the heck can you sell something like a weight loss product when you obviously don’t use it yourself? So obviously it is just about money, and where is the unbiased scientific data? Can’t find it.

AMEN “Love my Vi-shakes!!!
I also take them and they’re GGRRRREEEEAAATTTT! I’m a pretty intelligent individual and I understand the concept of MLM and ViSalus has totally revolutionized the term MLM.

Every network marketing company claims to have the best compensation plan, best product, record breaking growth, and headed for a billion in revenue. Yet, none of these companies have a NEW 6 figure earner created every 36 hours, they don’t have 25 BMW’s given away EVERY day, don’t have 8 million pounds lost in under 2 years, not even close to 3000% growth in over 18 months, don’t have 80,000 people in their company let alone 80,000 joining just last month, and finally none of them will be the first and ONLY product company to do 1 billion in revenue in a year without leaving North America… There is only one… VISALUS SCIENCES!

AMEN “Love my Vi-shakes!!!
I also take them and they’re GGRRRREEEEAAATTTT! I’m a pretty intelligent individual and I understand the concept of MLM and ViSalus has totally revolutionized the term MLM.

Every network marketing company claims to have the best compensation plan, best product, record breaking growth, and headed for a billion in revenue. Yet, none of these companies have a NEW 6 figure earner created every 36 hours, they don’t have 25 BMW’s given away EVERY day, don’t have 8 million pounds lost in under 2 years, not even close to 3000% growth in over 18 months, don’t have 80,000 people in their company let alone 80,000 joining just last month, and finally none of them will be the first and ONLY product company to do 1 billion in revenue in a year without leaving North America… There is only one… VISALUS SCIENCES!

AMEN “Love my Vi-shakes!!!
I also take them and they’re GGRRRREEEEAAATTTT! I’m a pretty intelligent individual and I understand the concept of MLM and ViSalus has totally revolutionized the term MLM.

Every network marketing company claims to have the best compensation plan, best product, record breaking growth, and headed for a billion in revenue. Yet, none of these companies have a NEW 6 figure earner created every 36 hours, they don’t have 25 BMW’s given away EVERY day, don’t have 8 million pounds lost in under 2 years, not even close to 3000% growth in over 18 months, don’t have 80,000 people in their company let alone 80,000 joining just last month, and finally none of them will be the first and ONLY product company to do 1 billion in revenue in a year without leaving North America… There is only one… VISALUS SCIENCES!

AMEN “Love my Vi-shakes!!!
I also take them and they’re GGRRRREEEEAAATTTT! I’m a pretty intelligent individual and I understand the concept of MLM and ViSalus has totally revolutionized the term MLM.

Every network marketing company claims to have the best compensation plan, best product, record breaking growth, and headed for a billion in revenue. Yet, none of these companies have a NEW 6 figure earner created every 36 hours, they don’t have 25 BMW’s given away EVERY day, don’t have 8 million pounds lost in under 2 years, not even close to 3000% growth in over 18 months, don’t have 80,000 people in their company let alone 80,000 joining just last month, and finally none of them will be the first and ONLY product company to do 1 billion in revenue in a year without leaving North America… There is only one… VISALUS SCIENCES!

He’s telling the truth. Kevin is also my upline and he retired from UPS and IS A MILLIONAIRE! While you’re getting paid for just the hours you worked, we get paid not only for the hours we work but for the hours of all in our downline! Scam or no scam…it’s so much better working on my own terms and on the plantation called JOB (Just Over Broke).

Passive and residual income is the BEST INCOME!

You people are so gullible. You read this bias opinion without even doing research yourself. If you did, you would see how healthy the shakes are! They poured millions of dollars into it to make sure it was healthy! #IntellectuallyChallenged!

No, your fault is talking about things and having opinions, that you know nothing about.

Here, this is how transparent Visalus is:
http://www.due diligence.visalus.com

Anything and everything you want to know about the company.
Even though I know you won’t look at this for fear of being proven wrong, I’m happy to share. See, educating the ignorant is part of my morals.

You don’t know me. I don’t lie to or manipulate anyone. I’m not taking advantage of anyone. If they don’t want the products, they don’t get the products. Are you telling me that you think you are so much better or smarter than everyone else, that you can see through anything to reveal it’s inner motives? Give me a break! For people who struggle with weight problems, diabetes, low energy, and many other ailments, we have done nothing but help them. And when they share their stories of success with others, not only do they get their products for free, but they can supplement their incomes as well. If someone tries this business and fails, they have no one to blame but themselves. I help everyone on my team. Some just don’t want to do what it takes to succeed. They are stuck in the same corporate mentality that you are. And no matter how much I try to help them, they just aren’t going to get it. This isn’t for everyone. I don’t make promises I can’t personally keep. I don’t make product claims, or income claims. But I will share factual stories that I know are true.

Think of it this way, do you believe that every single, 100%, of all used car salespeople are crooks? No. But that’s the stigma they have because there certainly are a few that ruin the integrity for the rest. Same goes for any industry. Yes, I’m sure we have a few bad apples in Visalus. You can’t keep them all out. But I can guarantee that if they cross a line, and the corporate office finds out about it, they will quickly be removed. It just won’t be tolerated.

It sounds like you’ve been burned in the past by a bad apple. I will apologize for that. But don’t throw every person, every company, into the same barrel.
Do you feel like this about Mary Kay, AFLAC, Avon, Colonial Life? These companies are very well respected, and they all are MLM’s. So until you have proof specifically about Visalus, we’ll continue to grow at record pace and we’ll be joining the $1 Billion club very soon. How many scams do you know that can say that?

You don’t sound intelligent. You sound delusional..  You are spourting the brain washing jargon they taught you.  This is all smoke and mirrors.

You are delussional.  When you wake up from your brainwashing are you in for a reality check.

You have a problem you need to get checked out.  You believe anything. I have investigated this junk. They got the shake from an ear and nose specialist who was expermenting on a herbal treatment for ringing in the ear. They have not invested anything in it. The product is cheap and outdated. The packaging is cheap even the printing on the packaging is cheap. Wake up get some common sense……

A Lot of them can say that .  You miss the point entirely.  You don’t have to be a genius to see what this company is.  No one burned me. I have just seen what this company has done to the lies of sompeople.  I do not like to see people hurt.  I will always call out when I see this happening.  To know that there is conning going on is to hear what these people (word used loosely) say at these meetings. Read the facebook of the people selling, read the postings here.  No one can be as gullible as you people come off, you have to know that you are conning.  You spout what they tell you and you don’t check it out to see if they are telling you the truth. Comparing visalus to other companies does not make it better.

I know about this company you are the one in for an education. Visalus is not transparent they hide everything.

I find it hilarious when you mlmers come out with these numbers! It’s funny because Visalus practices the right to non-disclosure when asked how much money is made from distributor membership versus money made from customers…I guess they are smart to do so since it would be the difference between a legal and illegal pyramid scheme. The United States Federal Trade Commission
(FTC) warns “Not all multilevel marketing plans are legitimate. Some
are pyramid schemes. It’s best not to get involved in plans where the
money you make is based primarily on the number of distributors you
recruit and your sales to them, rather than on your sales to people
outside the plan who intend to use the products.”

Visalus prefers to be called MLM instead of pyramid scheme…that’s like saying callgirl instead of whore.

Too bad 99% of the distributors make NO INCOME…

…Also, your friend probably just told you that he’s a millionaire just to sucker you in…looks like it worked.

…also, your friend will need to jump to the next MLM that comes to town when the market is over-saturated, and start working 24/7 promoting that product.

BTW, I make 6 figures a year at my JOB – plus guaranteed pension plan, health/dental and life insurance all paid by my employer, recognition and advancement, job security, work with great people, and at the end of the day, I can leave work at work, unlike a Visalus distributor promoting this stuff 24/7 and spewing cliched crap to everyone they encounter…if only you could see how foolish you look to people. Maybe you’ll see the light one day, like I did!

Actually, when you dig a little
deeper into Vi-Shape, it isn’t all that impressive. In fact, it looks like a
poor purchasing decision. Take a look at the ingredients. It’s essentially a blend of protein, the “fake” fiber that MonaVie adds, and a pretty good multi-vitamin.You can actually make a similar shake at home for less money from products at Costco. And no auto-ship or shipping charges.

You have swallowed the bait.  In Visalus world the extreme is normal. Have you noticed everyone has been in just a month, 2 months, etc.  Where are your old timers, you know the ones who have been in over 6 months.  Have they fell by the wayside because of over saturation.  I hope you don’t ruin your health with this stuff.  I know people who have taken it for about 6 to 8 months who are sick all the time but they keep on taking it because they have to buy it to make the quota and no one else will take it. Hope they see the light soon.

You are either very uneducated or very delusional

Ryan Blair is the Billionaire and I am sure there are LIMITED #s of KEVINS who Distribute for ViSalus.  MARKET SATURATION IS REAL and proven!  The only delusional people are those who DO NOT UNDERSTAND that those who get in FIRST make the $ and those they recruit generally have to BUY PRODUCTS from the ACTUAL COMPANY IN TROY MICHIGAN THAT RYAN BLAIR CREATED in order to KEEP up their “Millionaire” status.  Ryan and those who started the company AKA THE DISTRIBUTOR and ONLY TRUE OWNERS are the ones making the 100s of Millions.  Ex. you are the first Reg. Director in your state/area, you get 10 people, who get 10 people who get 10 people….and w/in 10 cycles you have 100,000 reps in your are=MARKET SATURATION!  The Bimmer Club you have to HAVE THE CREDIT to buy or lease the Bimmer and the money to pay monthly because if you DO NOT make  your monthly qualification they DO NOT give you the $600 Bimmer Bonus.  Do some more research before you call those of us who did delusional.  I LOVE HAVING A JOB WITH GUARANTEED BENEFITS!  I ALSO CAN PURSUE MY OWN BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES SO I HAVE CONTROL AND MAKE THE PROFITS!  JUST SAYIN!

Ryan Blair is a Joke and a false Billionaire. He has no money.

Wow I understand that people don’t like network marketing but that’s because it’s usually for a bogus item. I take the shakes and I went from 167 pounds to 135 in 90 days and kept it off for months now, and I don’t even take the shakes anymore . So to me this is a great product and I don’t even sell it, but I can see how I would make money off of it because everyone asks me what I did to loose the weight and have tried it and love it. Don’t talk crap if you have not tried the shakes, and I have tried tons of diets out there with no where near this much success, including special k diet, 18 day diet, medifast and others and it’s no where near as expensive as Jenny craig and medifast.

I make an extra 1,000 a month with this so called “scam” so don’t tell me that you don’t make money, and I only paid $50 to start! So I make my money back and then some. So shut up people who are obviously miserable with there 9-5 job where there gonna work for 40 years and then get laid off oneday.

I make an extra 1,000 a month with this so called “scam” so don’t tell me that you don’t make money, and I only paid $50 to start! So I make my money back and then some. So shut up people who are obviously miserable with there 9-5 job where there gonna work for 40 years and then get laid off oneday.

I make an extra 1,000 a month with this so called “scam” so don’t tell me that you don’t make money, and I only paid $50 to start! So I make my money back and then some. So shut up people who are obviously miserable with there 9-5 job where there gonna work for 40 years and then get laid off oneday.

I make an extra 1,000 a month with this so called “scam” so don’t tell me that you don’t make money, and I only paid $50 to start! So I make my money back and then some. So shut up people who are obviously miserable with there 9-5 job where there gonna work for 40 years and then get laid off oneday.

Wow I understand that people don’t like network marketing but that’s because it’s usually for a bogus item. I take the shakes and I went from 167 pounds to 135 in 90 days and kept it off for months now, and I don’t even take the shakes anymore . So to me this is a great product and I don’t even sell it, but I can see how I would make money off of it because everyone asks me what I did to loose the weight and have tried it and love it. Don’t talk crap if you have not tried the shakes, and I have tried tons of diets out there with no where near this much success, including special k diet, 18 day diet, medifast and others and it’s no where near as expensive as Jenny craig and medifast.

Wow I understand that people don’t like network marketing but that’s because it’s usually for a bogus item. I take the shakes and I went from 167 pounds to 135 in 90 days and kept it off for months now, and I don’t even take the shakes anymore . So to me this is a great product and I don’t even sell it, but I can see how I would make money off of it because everyone asks me what I did to loose the weight and have tried it and love it. Don’t talk crap if you have not tried the shakes, and I have tried tons of diets out there with no where near this much success, including special k diet, 18 day diet, medifast and others and it’s no where near as expensive as Jenny craig and medifast.

Wow I understand that people don’t like network marketing but that’s because it’s usually for a bogus item. I take the shakes and I went from 167 pounds to 135 in 90 days and kept it off for months now, and I don’t even take the shakes anymore . So to me this is a great product and I don’t even sell it, but I can see how I would make money off of it because everyone asks me what I did to loose the weight and have tried it and love it. Don’t talk crap if you have not tried the shakes, and I have tried tons of diets out there with no where near this much success, including special k diet, 18 day diet, medifast and others and it’s no where near as expensive as Jenny craig and medifast.

Wow I understand that people don’t like network marketing but that’s because it’s usually for a bogus item. I take the shakes and I went from 167 pounds to 135 in 90 days and kept it off for months now, and I don’t even take the shakes anymore . So to me this is a great product and I don’t even sell it, but I can see how I would make money off of it because everyone asks me what I did to loose the weight and have tried it and love it. Don’t talk crap if you have not tried the shakes, and I have tried tons of diets out there with no where near this much success, including special k diet, 18 day diet, medifast and others and it’s no where near as expensive as Jenny craig and medifast.

To all the visalus promotors! Do all of us a favor and get off this trashy talking bashing visalus website.  We all have much better things to do, helping people with their health, and life.  Making a much better life for our friends and family, so lets get out there and work hard for a better life  !  This is the last time here, remember negative in, negative out! Positve in, positive out! God Bless each and everyone! 

All this talk of BMW shortages… I am pretty sure that if it were the case, it would be known publicly that someone was buying absurd amounts of cars that as a manufacturer they couldn’t keep up. I would ask anyone, believer or not, to prove that BMW has run out of black 3-series and can’t keep up. Please post a link to a reputable site as proof…

So you’re going to drink these shakes for the rest of your life? Not recommended.  What do you think happens when you stop taking the shakes? You gain the weight back.  Try the Weight Watchers system if you haven’t already – all about counting your calories and promoting a healthy diet…and they weight stays off…And it’s FREE!

I asked you a question but I think maybe you over looked it.  You have been so kind in answering my inquaries. If a person gets to be an ambassador and get the $25,000 bonus which they pay over two years.  If they fall behind ambassador ranking or quite the business do they still get the pay.  This has just been a nagging question I keep wondering about. Just curosity.

I asked you a question but I think maybe you over looked it.  You have been so kind in answering my inquaries. If a person gets to be an ambassador and get the $25,000 bonus which they pay over two years.  If they fall behind ambassador ranking or quite the business do they still get the pay.  This has just been a nagging question I keep wondering about. Just curosity.

I bet you are saling it.  Come on You are.

I bet you are saling it.  Come on You are.

I don’t know what you are saying.  Are you for or against. Cann’t tell.

Try educating yourself with something besides their own propoganda.  In Visalus world the truth is wrong and negative, conning and lying is truth. Visalus cures everything (not even penecilian can do that) and if everyone takes it there will be no desase left and everyone will be rich and amabassadors and drive BMWs and the sky will be pink and the streets will be made of gold and………….

BMW shortage or not, they will now pay you for Silver and Green BMW’s too!… My girlfriend has put 11 friends in bimmers in the last 7months, 2 of my girls got the $25k bonus and one just got $250,000. I have first-hand experienced the delicious taste and benefits of this great product and have seen it transform peoples health and lives. That’s a beautiful thing-DONT HATE. The soy is non GMO, it’s a soy isolate and actually has no estrogen in it at all. Knowledge is power; whether you have a regular job or want to be a MLM distributor you can be succesful if you represent your clients best interests by acting professional, ethical and being knowledgeable. I love the shakes and would never pressure anyone into being a distributor… I have a succesful career and enjoy this product to give me the nutrition I need when I’m on the go. It’s an inspiration to see my friends living freely and making a six figure income off Visalus. Not everyone will; like anything you get back what you put in. To the Ex-Visalus Distributor; sorry this didnt work for you it’s not for everyone and my advice to you is to focus on the positve things in life which will bring you goodness however you want it… and best of luck in the future.

I completely agree with two of your statements:

“Knowledge is power; whether you have a regular job or want to be a MLM
distributor you can be succesful if you represent your clients best
interests by acting professional, ethical and being knowledgeable.” I couldn’t agree more.

And I also agree with your statement: “focus on the positve things in life which will bring you goodness however you want it… and best of luck in the future. ” Thank you for those kind words. I’m a big believer in the “Power of Attraction” – focus on positive, and positives will enter your life…focus on negative, and negative will enter your life.

Thank you for a well written, thought-out post, even though I may not agree with everything you say, I think you are a diplomatic, positive person, and I admire that.

Unfortunately, I have no idea how they pay that out. I would think that they get to keep it, since they made the quota for that month, but again, I’m really not sure.

I just read through some past posts, and now I see where you asked me. Sorry I didn’t respond, I didn’t see it…which is strange because I always read your posts! We share a lot of the same views regarding MLM, and I enjoy reading your replied to the mlmers. I hope things are going better with your family.

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I guess you tried to be a promoter and quit after the first week and now it’s the company’s fault and not yours.  Just plain pathetic!  I happen to know first hand how phenomenal these products are.  I have lost close to 40 lbs since January and my husband has lost close to 50.  The number of people we have helped to do the same is just incredible. We do have one of the mentioned BMWs, it has been paid for every month because we treat this like a business and are very serious about it.  Acquire the BMW and treat it like a hobby and yes, you will be paying for it.  Not only do we have the BMW but we have helped 30 other people qualify for one as well.  After only 1 year in the industry…not just this business in particular but the entire industry…we became Ambassadors.  Ambassador = $25,000 bonus!!  It took a lot of hard work and dedication to making other people healthy and financially stable but it was worth every minute.  So, don’t blame Visalus for your shortcomings.  You could have done it too.  But being a quitter will get you nowhere fast.  See you from the top!

Visalus Sciences Ambassador

@Ally081022I never blamed anyone…I just don’t like the MLM model, and I didn’t like doing that kind of work…it was embarrassing – besides, I make a hell
of a lot more money at my real JOB, and have way more time to spend with
my family…but hey, if you like calling people like an annoying
telemarketer, then kudos to you.

The years you’ve wasted promoting this stuff, all that time could have been
spent with your kids, your friends…you’ll never, ever get that time
back…mlms will always be there, but that time will not…I feel sad
for you. Good luck to you!

Whoever wrote this is an idiot! I have lost 33lbs in 44 day. Earned my BMW in 17 day. Have an entire team of very happy people. We are changing people lives. It is not sold in stores because we are putting America back to work and Not continuing to fatten the pockets of Pharmacies and Stores who sub out their services over seas! Wake up FreakShow! This is the Realest opportunity that has ever hit North America! I am 150% on board!! Rocking the 90 Day Challenge and just signed my 3rd Celebrity!! 

By a poster named Jerry – everyone pondering joining this MLM should read this:I have read most of the posts on this page & nearly everything of what I have read from the “haters” is true.Never mind whether or not the product “works” or not.Never mind that some initial residual income can be made.Take a look at what will be lost if you decide to become a distributor:1) FriendsThe Visalus gods will “train” you to transform your personal facebook page into a selling tool.  You will have to constantly blast out your link, praying to god that someone clicks on it and joins so you can make your monthly goal.  Imagine if one of your friends asked you to buy their product, all day every day, you continue to tell them “no”, but they ask anyway?  Your true friends on facebook will diminish as people start to block and delete you.  You will not even notice, however, since you will be bombarded with friend requests from others in the business, so that they can all copy and paste each other’s facebook posts to use on their victims, err, I mean facebook friends.  And NEVER make the mistake of telling these people how you feel.  You will get ripped a new one similar to some of the comments made on this page by people you have been close with all your life.2) Your Real JobI have personally seen four of my close friends and family either lose or quit their jobs to take on this venture.  Visalus will convince you that you will make so much money by joining, that you will no longer need that “deadend job” with all those horrible things, like job security and benefits and such.  I have seen friends quit their jobs and go on state assistance for medical benefits to persue this “dream” as they call it.  They will brag about their weekly paychecks, but will never actually show you proof, since they don’t want you to know how little they make.I have seen a friend lose their job, since their boss finally got tired of all the Visalus talk at work.3) Your IntegrityBefore you decide to take that “leap of faith” into this venture, look at the business model.  It will saturate.  Once it fully saturates, it will collapse.  Once it collapses, all the people you convinced to join will never trust you again.  Is this something you want?  Is it worth the money?4) Common SenseIt is common to be skeptical before joining something like this, and it’s for a good reason.  Once people join, they get so suckered in that they somehow believe everything that they’re told.  I remember all these people bragging about how the CEO of this company was appearing on Dr. Phil.  Did it happen?  no.  Some people have even gone so far as to claim this product will help cure cancer and depression.  All I can saw is “wow”.  It is advertised as a cure-all so that it will appeal to as many people as possible.  The founders of this company have psychology degrees for a reason.  They are trained motivational speakers that will convince the biggest of skeptics and turn them into sheep in one sitting.5) MoneyWhy do you think it costs money to join?  Part will go to Visalus, part will go to the team of people that brought you on.  Now that they got your money, you’re on your own.  If you have an ambitious upline, they will help you recruit people if they have their eye on the prize of getting that wonderful “free” BMW (don’t even get me started on that one.  Trust me, it’s not free, it’s a reimbursement program as long as you continue to make that monthly goal.  Do you really think you will make your monthly goal for the life of those car payments?  I promise you, you will not, and end up paying for it with all the “profits” you will make from selling the products.  At best, you will break even in the end).  You will tackle your close friends and family first, and then you will realize that you have no one left to sell to.  Then comes the interesting part.  You will have to travel all over the country starting up these “challenge parties” to recruit people.  Who pays for this?  You.  Who has the time for this?  People desperate to make this work.  Who gets the shaft from this?  Your family, your friends…all the people who have been there for you all along.  Suddenly they will not matter.  All that is important is that Ambassador level, so you can get that black jacket and brag to all your old friends and say “I told U so”, as this company trains people to think and say.  They will even have you use this as your licence plate.  It gets better, it is mandatory for you to pose in front of that black BMW using the “shocker” hand sign, so they can pimp you out for marketing purposes.  You have no choice in the matter.  You just sold yourself to the company and they can use your image however they like for as long as they like, even after you left them.6) Your HealthThis is something I’ve been witnessing that no one seems to talk about.  People who have been drinking these shakes for awhile now seem to be getting sick alot.  And I mean alot.  If you want to feel sick all the time, this is the product for you.  But, you’ll be losing weight, so I guess it’s ok.  You will experience constant diarrhea once you start taking this stuff, but you are trained that this is normal and that your body is somehow going through a detox process.  Really?  The human body is not meant to survive on a liquid diet.  What happens once you get off the stuff?  I’ll let you figure out that one on your own…not pretty.7) Do you need any more reasons?I feel so sad that some of my friends and family decided to go this route.  We no longer speak to each other, since I am labelled a “hater” with no ambition.  They claim they are an elite part of society and are entrepreneurs.  I think this point has been discussed in earlier posts, but these Visalus people refuse to see reality.  You have NO control over this company, you are NO entrepreneur.  I’m sure I will be ripped apart here for making these comments, but it’s nothing I haven’t heard before.  At least be original and stop making the usual remarks on how Ryan Blair is a rags to riches story (thanks to his step-father funding the whole thing), and how it’s “working” for so many people.  Water and carrots work for losing weight, but not the best way to approach the problem.  Do you really want to drink these shakes for the rest of tour life?And of course, I wish “Vitality” to you all. ;)

Don’t feel sad for me.  I’m now a stay at home mother…at home with my kids everyday…free from the rat race that is corp America.  They go to “work” with  me when I go.  I feel sad for you because you are so ignorant.  Some are scams…yes.  This one is not.  I’ve had a health transformation and so has my husband so people come to us about the product. Haven’t hounded anyone. Just because it didn’t work for you doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.  Have fun running the rat race and trading time for money.  I quit doing that several months ago because of this “Scam” you speak of. 

Bless his heart!  He’s disgruntled because he failed miserably at direct sales/network marketing.  So sad when people fail and try to blame everyone/everything but themselves.  Poor thing.

You are pathetic!  And quite comical too! 

Research funded by the National Institute of Health (your tax dollars…LOL!) and backed by Blythe, Inc…a 1.6 billion dollar publicly traded company. Blythe is owned by the Goergan family.  I’m sure you’ve heard of the Wharton School of Business??  Ok, maybe you haven’t…most prestigious Business School in the country if not the world.  Their school of Entrepreneurship is named after Bob Goergan…owner of Blythe!  Think he didn’t do his due diligence before backing Visalus??  I’m sure you are gonna post some know it all comments after this so go ahead…I’m done wasting my time here.  But know this…some people know it all and have all the answers, the rest of us are actually enjoying life!

I was a Weight Watchers leader for 10 years. Many people found the Points Plus program too complicated.

Plus members could stay within their PP budget and eat garbage with no nutritional value at all.

Also the WW products sold at the meetings are 95% chemicals and not even real food… and the Smart Ones frozen entree’s are not much different.

The Vi-Shakes are very nutritious and even more so with added fruit etc.

I left WW to promote the “90 Day Challenge”!

Tom

In this economy do you really believe you have “guaranteed benefits”? That’s HILARIOUS?

Your ending sentence is rather rude. Nobody knows everthing, and nobody has all the answers.  Someone who has an answer to everything should not be trusted. To state that only V people are enjoying life is sad. I have always enjoyed my life, and my family, well before the sales of a shake. I’ve always been healthy, and am succesful in my own right.

You sound rude. People who buy into the sales of V have FAILED many times…look at yourself in the mirror. I learn from  my mistakes, and when I succeed at something I am greatful to thank MYSELF…ME

This visalus bunch is the freak show.  You go to these brain washing sessions and come back when stupid ideas and views of the world.  You are like a cult of zoombies spew the crazy spill they taught you.  You sound like a buch of idiots and have drank the kool-aid so heavily you don’t even know it.

Boy are you in for a rude awakening. The more the kool-aid you drink the more delusional you come.  I wish you could hear how ignorant you sound. Brainwashed.

You have the nerve to call some one you don’t even know a quitter.  I think he (or she) is very brave to to have wised up and got out of the cult. Standing up to these crazy people is not easy and the poster is trying to help others from the mistake that he made. I admire him (or her) for having the guts to do that.  I did not make this mistake but I have made my share and I don’t know worther I would have the courage to admit to it and try to warn others.

Thank you so much.  Things are going some better because as you and others predicted they have reached the piont that they are barely selling any and lost their titles and such.  They coming back to earth to some decree.  I just keep praying that they have not or do not get their self into a financial problem.

Pathetic and comical.  I am quite talented then. 

Bless your heart.  You don’t seem to no what is failure and what is not.  I see getting out of a scam as success.  I see being brainwashed to sell (at your expense) some useless shake to your family and friend.  Conning and lying to people as failure.

You need to go back and re educate yourself.  You have your facts wrong and suggest if you really want the truth that you go somewhere besides to Visalus.

I first started doing these shakes because a friend wanted me to try the 90 day weight loss challenge. It was exciting to think about this. I soon realized that this was more for my friends trying to make money, than anything else, but they are friends, and I thought why not try it. These shakes do work, if you have a lot of will power to not eat. It can be done with Visalus, but, as I have learned from a lot of research, there are far superior meal replacement shakes out there, and alot cheaper. Idealshape is what I am going to try after finishing my visalus order. It costs $40 a month, if you order a 4 month supply. They use a very good appetite suppressant, and are reported to be very good tasting. The Visalus package w appetite suppressant costs $250. If you would like to learn more, please go to mealreplacementshakereviews.com  This is a very informative website that compares all the shakes out there. At this point in time, I cannot attest to the long term results w Visalus, but everyone out there compaining about their cult like, obsessive, pushy sales tactics, are RIGHT ON THE MONEY about that part of Visalus. Nuff Said!!!!!!

It is better than having no benefits.

these shakes are  a joke ask in nutritionist. 12 grams (thats it)  of protein and if you look at the main protein its soy. Google soy protein and you will see alot of research showing how bad soy is.

Where I from they are selling via shakes and I know 3 people that have gotten hurt from this diet. The via distributors put everyone on a shake only diet with hardly any food and they end up collapsing at work. I was later told they were suffering from malnutrition.  Viasalus science better watch it Im smelling a class action lawsuit, I don’t think viasalus science does not train there distributors very well they should not be handing out diet plans unless they are nutritionist.

How fat were you to need to lose 30 or 50 lbs?  You were dumb enough to eat all that food that made you obese in the first place, and now youre trying to convince us that youre doing good for people… give me a break

Ah Bill but Visalus has a dirty little secret.  Their representatives don’t work for them or represent them and they will not furnish them a lawyer if they  sued.  In other words Visalus would say we have no control on what they say they don’t work for us.  Visalus takes no responsibilty to or for their distributors ( word used loosely better word flunkies)

My problem with this “business” is how they promote this as pretty much a cure all “drug” and make so many bogus claims of it being basically a miracle cure all and weight loss product.

It’s one thing to want to get in shape, or lose weight, or eat healthier.  There are many ways to do that.  Some safe, some not so safe.  Drinking to lose weight is not healthy.  And then to claim that the “shake” itself is what causes weight loss, and cures health issues is a SCAM.

Please tell me the ingredient that causes weight loss, and cures health issues.  There are no such ingredients in the world.  People lose weight because of calorie restriction.  People who lose weight get healthy side effects such as lowered blood pressure, more energy etc…….

Every diet product out there will work.  Every diet product is promoted the same way as being the best etc. It’s called marketing.  Visalus is a multi-level- MARKETING business.

Sellers don’t want anything but sales.  But USE customers to promote themselves if they lose weight etc.  It’s a sick and twisted game.

You said you googled it, were is your source?

There is no way with the $50 you only get to sell three to get yours free.  If you want to make money and that great BMW deal you have to pay $500 to $1000 Read the compensation schedule.  You are a sad buch.  I’ll take my 5-9 with my pay check I can count on aand benefits.  You can have your 24/7 that lasts about 6 months until your area is saturated. and you get to pay the expenses of this little adventure too… Real smart…..

You couldn’t lose weight in ten years gosh…….i never heard of products sold at meetings.  You don’t have to go to meetings you can do it online.  You can eat real food and you get to eat that fruit too. You don’t have to eat frozen meals.  Smart Ones are not a Weight Watchers brand

They have now offered 2 other colors and VIP treatment and financing to Visalus BMW qualifiers.  There are over 27 people a day earning this bonus! 

AH, but if you do not want the Bimmer you can still get a $300 cash bonus.   So you are given the choice whether or not to tie yourself to the Bimmer payment or not.  That’s where common sense comes in handy.

The isoflavones (which is the estrogen containing component of the soy) have been removed from the shake mix.  Soy is heart healthy and is used for those benefits as well as its near perfect amino acid profile.  This is why this product is working for body builders and athletes.  So if you would have done your research, you would know this about the product before knocking it. And from someone who works out 5-6 days a week and is dedicated to eating a clean diet of whole foods, this product has helped me lean out and become stronger as well as to build muscle and just obtain overall stamina and mental clarity.  THIS is why athletes, body builders and figure pros promote the products. 

That’s the kicker they offer financing to the qualifier.  Not to Visalus and when they no longer qualify the debt is theirs not Visalus as far as VIP treatment that should be any company selling anything to anyone standar practice. Visalus can offer this with no exposure to themself it is the qualifier’s credit that is ruined if they no longer can pay for it when their area gets over saturated.

When people say I put or they put people into bimmers that sounds so false and pretentious.  Thye don’t put anybody into anything unless they are buying it for them.I am seen this product change people’s lives too. It brought them illness. debt, and lost of friends and family. You are delusional talking about your clients and being professional. No matter how you try to blow up all the health benefits and money made and weight loss, you are really a flunky for a scam pressuring a useless shake on your friends and families.

I visited a body building web site where they were discussing Visalus and they said that it was made from cheap ingrediants, was over priced and useless.  They see it warranted much discussion so that is about all they said when some one asked about it.

Bill, you’re sending a great msg., if it’s a true fact, but that’s not my purpose for replying.  May I suggest re-reading what you write in the future, and proofread/edit/revise for grammar, spelling; Anything & everything well written sends a much more factual statement.  Please accept this advice as constructive criticism!
I’m made corrections line-by-line for your interest:

Where I’m from…;  gotten sick/ill
ViSalus distributors
_____
ViSalus Sciences had better be careful; I’m sensing…
ViSalus Sciences…train their distributors…
…are a Nutritionist.

Ally,
I would like to hear more of your ‘business model’, etc.  Please send reply to- chadd84@963951d54af8146758d8ce08c722a824:disqus  @hotmail:disqus .com
Thanks.   BTW… It’s vital when communicating to edit/proofread what one writes!  Thanks for doing so, it shows you’re a professional in your field!

Success in this business or any mlm is measured in the enormous losses of the low level distributors. Remember, in order to avoid being classified as an illegal pyramid scam, the mlm  must  try to sell some product (or service).  By law, they must derive
at least 51% of their income from product or service sales, rather than fees and
distributorships in order to avoid being legally classified as a pyramid scam. 
That’s why each distributor must buy sales kits, trial kits, and sometimes, a
certain amount of “product” each month themselves. All to prop up the illusion
that the product is the real focus of the company, which it is not. 

A good freind of mine made it to regional director in 30 days.Sounds like you choose to be negative or unhappy seeing other people succeed. It’s about changing peoples lives by helping them reaching their weight loss goals or whatever goal they have.I was a big skeptic of all MLM programs but I love The 90 Day Challenge.The whole corporate world is based on pyramid schemes. Quit trying to demonize businesses that are being successful!

“It’s about changing people’s lives.”

Blah, blah, blah.

Gimme a break.

Go to the gym, eat right. It’s not rocket science and it’s free.

Hey buddy I go to the gym and eat right and also have a background in powerlifting and personal training. I know all the junk that is on the market and this program IS NOT one of them. Vist my website at http://davidvanoke.myvi.net. I dare you!

Hey buddy I go to the gym and eat right and also have a background in powerlifting and personal training. I know all the junk that is on the market and this program IS NOT one of them. Vist my website at http://davidvanoke.myvi.net. I dare you!     

If your life was so great before Visalus. Then why did you join in the first place?

“We’re simply taking the money we currently spend on eating out and grocery bills and putting it toward a simpler, faster, and much healthier option!”

Nothing is healthier than the natural unprocessed foods you purchase at the grocery store.

http://www.secretentourage.com/entrepreneur/a-false-opportunity-during-rough-times/

Follow up to the conversation here….

After spending $1000s in GNC products over the years,  honestly I can say they have done nothing for me. Visalus is a fat-burning protein shake that people replace a meal with. The shake is cheaper than a meal, so I can’t really see where your losing money. And  a product that gives you the option to have it for free, don’t see that at the stores?

Read this Team EnVi:

http://www.secretentourage.com/entrepreneur/a-false-opportunity-during-rough-times/

LOL! You’re too late!  A dozen other distributors already posted their Vi-Net link…plus, I don’t think this is the best place to be looking for prospects.

Google is the source…you do know how to use Google, right?

wow thank you for the 411 on ViSalus was going to join.
not now.  thank you. 

this guy is incredibly ill-informed and ignorant. please dont listen to a word of this.”very few lucky ones that make it to regional director”? we are doing 25 bmw qualifiers a day. yea…. an incredibly small amount. you spent more time bashing on the company than you did researching it
 

I would never replace a good old healthy meal with a shake. That is just dumb.

Healthy eating is a choice. If you can’t do that then you have another problem.

Seriously, how many years do you think you can drink a shake for?

It’s all about the “Regional Director”.

Just look at that picture with those women on the BMW’s. It tells you what the product is about.

Not looking for prospects here. just letting you know who i am and not afraid to share it. The reason your an ex distributor is either you gave up or you were in it for instant gratification and can’t handle rejection. The founder of KFC was turned down by hundreds of investors and only 1 agreed to back his recipe and ideas. Just because people reject this doesn’t mean its bad. You just decided to believe all the excuses rolling around in your head or couldn’t handle the negativity from other people.If you want to continue to live with your blinders on thats your choice.

You don’t even know what level I was at when I saw the light…so for you to make a judgement like that just goes to show the class of person you are…but it’s very typical of you mlmers to make that judgement…good luck to you!

You don’t even know what level I was at when I saw the light…so for you to make a judgement like that just goes to show the class of person you are…but it’s very typical of you mlmers to make that judgement…good luck to you!

Google is the engine/vehicle to get you to the source. Anyone can have a website claiming knowledge on anything. What is the actual legitimate scientific source? If soy was as bad as you say, it would be taken off the market. Many out there believe in Soy and many don’t. Its called difference’s in opinion or belief. One person can wholeheartedly believe in the benefits of soy while the next believes it to be bad. Otherwise, we would all be healthy and eat the exact same thing at all times. As far as what’s in the shake, it is against the law to put anything on a label that does not exist or to omit any ingredients.

Awesome article by Secret Entourage: MLMs (including Visalus) in a nutshell:

It is no surprise to anyone that unemployment is high and that
opportunities in corporate America are not what they were 5-7 years ago
during our booming economy. What you may not have known is the number of
multi-level marketing (MLM) companies out there that take advantage of
these times to take your money, time, and effort in exchange for a false
promise.

We did reviews of these scams over the past two years where we covered: Primerica Scam, 5Linx Scam, Mona Vie Scam and Visalus Scam
throughout our site. Surprisingly they all have significant amount of
comments to go with them showing the 1000’s of delusional people saying
it is a legitimate business while another 1000 scammed people say
otherwise. It truly is comical in nature but yet sad for society.

Today, we are going to break down how to identify such scams and making sure you do not fall for the traps.

Most MLM companies want you to believe that their business is a
legitimate business and will use a few components to create buy-in
(credibility) and get your hard earned dollars.

1. The celebrity or millionaire tie in: Many MLM’s
use celebrities, athletes, and millionaire to prove their business is
legit. Simply put, why would a smart millionaire or even billionaire
endorse a business if it wasn’t a great business. Everybody wants to
make money which is why you are contemplating joining to begin with, but
those with deep pockets are the ones who have made large amounts of
money by allowing companies to use their names, just so that you can
give your money and make those on top even more money. Celebrity tie ins
have been used for years in business and are a great way to get you to
pay up but reality is that those celebrities, regardless of what they
say, are not working at the bottom feeding those on top and have already
been paid a lot more than you will working 80 hrs a week. Be wary as
legitimate businesses DO NOT need to use such strategies to sell
themselves to employees which is the perfect example of how MLM
companies think of you as their customers, not employees.

2. The self employed approach: Every MLM out there
claims that it is an opportunity for you to own your own business but
yet in reality, you work for others. The idea is they cut you checks
which means you are not your own boss, they give you 1099’s which means
you depends on their corporation to pay you, and they expect you to work
certain hours, do certain activities, etc.. The idea here is their lack
of liability on you, so they don’t have to regulate what you do or
don’t do or when you lie and cheat people out of money. They simply
legally can allow to slide by while making money.

3. The disclaimer or disclosures: This our favorite
by far as its entire purpose is to be truthful but yet all it is says is
the exact opposite of anything you have been told by the reps of that
company. The disclosure or disclaimers on all these sites usually will
tell you that you are not employed by that company and that no support
will be provided in any legal matter, even if directly linked to the
product. It also states that most of the reps earn close to nothing in
salaries. Its all in the fine print and they do a great job hiding it on
their site or their paperwork.

4. Pay to join: The majority of MLMs will have some
sort of entry fee or mini purchase amount. Primerica and 5Linx expects
you to pay to join and they do a great job at telling you that this
covers expenses they incur while others like Visalus or MonaVie will
require you to purchase a minimum amount of their products as a starting
point. Both of those models profit them, and despite what they say
about needed licensing fees, etc, consider the following: Primerica’s
top revenue maker is its $99 entry fee and 5Linx’s fees in order to sell
for them contradict their fine print which says that you don’t work for
them. The other system which includes buying a minimum amount of
products actually makes you the company’s base client. When was the last
time you paid to join a job, when was the last time the job required
you to buy what they sell as a minimum to work there. It simply makes no
sense and spells out SCAM.

5. The false promise: Follow the money folks… People
in all those companies claim to make millions and have helped other
make millions but yet have nothing to show for it. They claim they make
money yet drive crappy cars, live in apartments, and best of all will
never reveal their W2 or 1099’s simply because they never made any real
money but rather made less money than a guy working in corporate America
in 5 years. We have asked over a dozen agents from Primerica, 5Linx and
Visalus for some 1099’s and have received nothing in the past 2 years
and yet constantly argue that they make money. Simply pathetic. We even
met a guy at Primerica who claimed to make $30,000 a month and yet wore a
$100 suit, lived in a van and smelled homeless but yet he made $30,000 a
month… WOW… Do you really want to belong to that crow of elite idiots?

These 5 indicators should be enough to keep away from these scams but
perhaps you need more proof that these are a joke. We understand that
many want to believe they are meant for greater than they currently are
doing, and we agree with that, but these MLM scams prey on that idea as
well as those unemployed looking for that big break. If you do decide to
join these scams, just remember that we told you so…

not a judgement just an observation. I’m only on here for fun. must have struck a nerve!

This Website is a big waste of time. people always try to rundown companies that are successful. no one reinventing the wheel here !

I have a friend who is bombing his FB page with this visalus stuff. Geez!!

What a joke. He can’t replicate what his parents did through their real business.

Hey, since you are all daring us to try visalus, why don’t you morons try another 90-day diet. I guarantee you they all work. Try P90x. Far cheaper and you can get it ar Wal-Mart. Try it. I “dare” you. Lol!!!!!!!

Wow! Look at all this negativity here! And people wonder why there is so much poverty in this world. Wake up people! Ever heard of Amway? Or how about the DeVos’s or Van Andel’s? Grand Rapids, Michigan wouldn’t be what it is today and that was a network marketing model. But they must have been scammers too, right? For Gods sakes we’re not robbing banks or selling drugs! We’re essentially getting paid to market a company instead of all the TV shows, etc., getting paid millions for offering a 30 second TV ad! Network marketing is a beautiful legitimate business model that many become financially independent on. It gives people the chance to break out of the rat race and become independently wealthy. If you like working the 9-5 that’s fine! Keep doing that! But don’t hate on the ones that don’t!

A scam. Ha! I’ll tell you what a scam is. Send me some money thru PayPal in exchange for a product or service and I’ll never fulfill it. That’s a scam!

The negativity in this world is just mind blowing! Grow up people!

Wow! Look at all this negativity here! And people wonder why there is so much poverty in this world. Wake up people! Ever heard of Amway? Or how about the DeVos’s or Van Andel’s? Grand Rapids, Michigan wouldn’t be what it is today and that was a network marketing model. But they must have been scammers too, right? For Gods sakes we’re not robbing banks or selling drugs! We’re essentially getting paid to market a company instead of all the TV shows, etc., getting paid millions for offering a 30 second TV ad! Network marketing is a beautiful legitimate business model that many become financially independent on. It gives people the chance to break out of the rat race and become independently wealthy. If you like working the 9-5 that’s fine! Keep doing that! But don’t hate on the ones that don’t!

A scam. Ha! I’ll tell you what a scam is. Send me some money thru PayPal in exchange for a product or service and I’ll never fulfill it. That’s a scam!

The negativity in this world is just mind blowing! Grow up people!

Can someone give me a price list for the products please?

What’s up with those white papers?

go to my website davidvanoke.myvi.net and sign my guestbook. you will get all the info you need

oh wow, this product must be great if it’s taking back America!  woo! 

Does the whey protein contain hormones or antibiotics?  Were the cows grass fed or grain fattened?  Just curious.  Also soy doesn’t contain estrogen.  Soy can stimulate estrogen production though.

Thank you!  Exactly!  Also if you lose weight without exercise, you have a lot of sagging skin.  I gained weight when I went on a exercise/healthy diet module.  It was muscle weight and I went down two dress sizes.  Am I upset about “weighing” more?  Nope!  skipping around in skinny jeans!

Depending in the area you live in Blue Cross Blue Shield Group health Insurance will pay for visalus Sciences products. They consider  Visalus sciences and The 90 Day Challenge a wellness product as It reduces obesity related health conditions and diseases. Don’t believe me?. google it for yourself. My website is davidvanoke.myvi.net. 

Correction to my previous statement. Blue Cross Blue Shield Group Wellness Plans will pay for Visalus Sciences and The 90 Day Challenge. Sorry for the error!

You have to call Blue Cross Blue Shield to see if they will cover Visalus Sciences products in your area. Not all areas do.

I would not google your site to answer that question.  I would ask Blue Cross and Blue Shield if they pay for Visalus they would pay for any kind of weight loss plan.  Most plans don’t unless it is in a hospital.

All the BS you can stand.

I think you need to grow up.  Face facts you are getting paid to talk your family and friends into buying a product that they would never think of buying in stores you are conning your on friends and families.  That is the only way they could get anyone to buy their product is to fool you people into conning those people closes to you, they other people couldn’t get to,  I rather rob banks that would be more honest.

I wouldn’t visalus on a dare. LOL

I stated to call Blue cross if you would read my posts and my website so people can get product through me. And no they would not pay for just any product. I’m an Independant  Insurance agent and would not mislead people

It is a waste of time to try to educate someone who does not want to learn. Someone who has drank so much of the kool-aid they are delusional.  They just want listen. Sad……..

I’ve researched and you are the one that is ill informed but alas you will learn.  The hard way.

You are smart. 

Your right you obviously don’t want to learn so stop wasting your time!

Your right you obviously don’t want to learn so stop wasting your time!

There you Visalus people go again with your brain washed spill comparing a cheap shake to KFC goes to show your delusional.  Just because you can not make it in the real world and have to join some scam company doesn’t give you the right to but people who are smarter than you down. You are a peddler of a cheap useless shake that would not make it in stores and you pay all the expenses plus pay them for the priviledge, no wonder you didn’t make it in the real world.

There you Visalus people go again with your brain washed spill comparing a cheap shake to KFC goes to show your delusional.  Just because you can not make it in the real world and have to join some scam company doesn’t give you the right to but people who are smarter than you down. You are a peddler of a cheap useless shake that would not make it in stores and you pay all the expenses plus pay them for the priviledge, no wonder you didn’t make it in the real world.

There you Visalus people go again with your brain washed spill comparing a cheap shake to KFC goes to show your delusional.  Just because you can not make it in the real world and have to join some scam company doesn’t give you the right to but people who are smarter than you down. You are a peddler of a cheap useless shake that would not make it in stores and you pay all the expenses plus pay them for the priviledge, no wonder you didn’t make it in the real world.

You have drank the kool-aid. Nobody is mad at people for being successful that is more brain washing they give you.  We are mad at Visalus for taking advantage of people like you who are looking to better yourself and Visalus feeds off that desire and people feeling bad about theirself and turns it into money for theirself.  MLM hurts people and although they convince you that you are helping people you are not you are hurting them.

This is a blog not a English Class.  Give him a break.

I think it’s funny how a persons true colors come out when you rattle their cage a little bit. Making assumptions about someone elses intelligence and job success doesn’t prove a thing. And lack of reading comprehension and correct spelling doesn’t help either.  

The truth of the matter is that Visalus wants you because you can get to your friends and family. They want you for your connections and when they are gone so is Visalus and most cases so are your friends.  People you really need to use your common sense.  If you have to pay all the expenses, pay them to sell, have them discount you as a business rep, have to buy a certain amount, have no benefits (health insurance, vacation, holidays, etc. You don’t even get unemployment because they as an employer don’t pay it. you pay all the taxes) they are not in business to help you that is for sure. And you are not helping anyone buy getting them mixed up in this scam.

You are sad.

Very good post.  So right…….

Did you see the link with the BIG sale on Visalus………..I wonder why?

Here we go again. I thought you were done chasing your tail….LOL

$249/month? Lol!!!

“I think it’s funny how a persons true colors come out when you rattle their cage a little bit.”  – I couldn’t agree more…just look how defensive you mlmers become when someone doesn’t agree with the mlm business model (quite comical actually). You label them as “haters”, lazy, negative and liars, even when presented with with facts about their particular mlm. Just look at the fine print on their Web sites – they state that most of the reps earn close to nothing in salaries. Its all in the fine print and they do a great job hiding it on their site or their paperwork.

BTW, you’re hypocrisy (and grammar)  is making you look unprofessional. My advice to you is take a break from trolling for prospects and go spend time with your family/friends, do something positive, and love life. Good luck to you.

most of your commentary is filled with negativity.  undermining people’s ability to make a rational decision, telling them to grow up.  Amway is ridiculous as much as Visalus.  The education of individuals selling Visalus products is laughable.  The products contain SOY, you do understand the consequence of adding non fermented soy into the human body, right?  No, you don’t?  Well maybe an individual with a nutritional degree and a dissertation on soy could fill you in on it.  Oh, wait, that’s me!  Yeah, it’s a very dangerous product unless fermented like MISO…Visalus has very low quality products gearing them at individuals with weight concerns or low self esteem.  Most of don’t hate on anyone, we just recognize a scam when we see one.  Some people don’t, and they think they’ll get rich with something like Visalus, or Amway…scamway.lol 

Here’s what you do by selling Visalus:

You’re selling a product to people, first of all convincing them they need to loose weight, and that has been proven to delay the onset of puberty in children, or in some cases boys NEVER go through puberty…imagine that…wow

that’s enough, it’s just a horrible product.  But hey, make some money off of your friends and family with it!  Good for you!

My friends are doing this and doing pretty well. I don’t have the heart to tell them that they are making all that money off of people that are getting totally ripped off.

Don’t forget, most mlmers exaggerate their earnings…with all the time they are investing (more like wasting), they are probably making $3 an hour working for this company.

Plus shipping and handling…they’ll also get you on autoship and charge you this amount every month until you beg them to stop. Good for you for not falling for it.

99% of people who join an mlm either make no money or lose money. That is the major problem with mlms. I’m not being negative…I’m actually all about the Power of Attraction…There’s no hate here. Just stating facts. Thank you for posting!

Now now…just because you lost a prospect doesn’t mean it’s right to lash out at others. Thought you’d be used to rejection by now lol!

FYI – It’s not your Web site, it’s Visalus’ Web site…it’s the exact same Web site as every other Visalus distributor…Visalus just made you believe it’s your Web site…and you pay $40 a month for a Web site that does nothing for you…

This coming from the guy who said he’s not trolling for prospects. You do know the definition of hypocrisy, right?

I don’t pay a dime for my website. Talk about  wrong information !  Better go do your homework before you try to dominate a topic you know nothing about! LOL!

I’m beginning to think you are a stalker! LOL

But the products are poorly made.  Why would you want to make money off of people by harming them?  I presume you will be in the defensive mindset after my comment, but I have viewed the ingredients in Visalus and they are very poor quality.  Have you read the long term studies on SOY?  Visalus uses Soy protein isolates.

There isn’t a “fat burning protein shake” anywhere, just claims.  Burning fat comes from hard work, not pills, shakes or bars etc.  There’s no such thing as a metabolism booster either…maybe a thermogenic, but not a metabolism booster.  And Visalus uses soy…very harmful filled with phytoestrogens.

Did you ever read Proverbs 29:11 ? A fool uttereth all his mind: But a wise man keeps it until afterwards. Can’t wait for this resonse!

KFC kills people, makes them obese etc.  Just because you follow through with something, doesn’t make it a good idea…Hitler was successful with his dream as well—determination does not equate to healthy success.

WOW LOL!

Credentials?  I have a background in nutritional sciences, masters in nutrition, have owned/operated a supplement store for the past decade, have constant growth/education and update my nutritional courses etc.  Anyways, ViSalus is at best a average to poor product.  I’m basing this on their ingredient list.  They actually use SOY.  wow, 2011 and they use SOY.  There are proven negative effects with the use of non fermented soy products, the same kind of soy used in Visalus.  Here come a resurgence of thyroid related health concerns.  Poepl, stop taking Visalus, do some actual research, get in touch with a N.D ( a medical doctor with a background in nutrition). 

Great quote from a great book. I can see why you have memorized it lol!

Now you know how your friends and family feel from your mlm sales tactics LOL!

And again, you shouldn’t lash out at people just because you’re upset (it makes you look a little childish).

That’s funny, because when I was a distributor, it costs $40/month to maintain your ViNet. Maybe you should check your credit card transactions, because they might be charging you for it. Just sayin’. Cheers!

exactly.  The health concerns are huge, in regards to SOY.  Thank you.

There
is increasing concern that eating large amounts of soy can affect
thyroid function. Particularly worrisome is the presence of
phytoestrogens in soy-based infant formulas (isoflavones are a category
of phytoestrogen). Critics point out that the level of phytoestrogens in
soy-based formula is over 20,000 times that found in breast milk. In a
1999 press release, the Canadian Health Coalition stated
that consumption of soy formulas could lead to a host of health
problems, including thyroid dysfunction. They called on then-federal
Health Minister Allan Rock to impose restrictions on the use of
soy-based infant formulas. There has also been concern over whether or
not soy consumption can have an impact on thyroid function in adults.

Your
post-workout meal may very well be your most important meal of the day.
The reason is that when you’re finished with an intense workout, you’re
entering a catabolic state (muscle eating state) where your muscle
glycogen is depleted and increased cortisol ( fat storing/muscle eating
hormone) levels are beginning to excessively break down muscle tissue.
These conditions (if left to go too long)
are not good and the only way to reverse this catabolic state (and
promote an anabolic state (muscle growing state)) is to consume a
quickly digestible post-workout meal as soon as you can after training.
The goal is to choose a meal with quickly digestible carbs (not fiber)
to replenish muscle glycogen as well as quickly digestible protein to
provide the amino acids needed to jump start muscular repair. The surge
of carbohydrates and amino acids from this quickly digested meal
promotes an insulin spike from the pancreas, which shuttles nutrients
into the muscle cells. Whey protein is the fastest acting protein
available and this is why it is absolutely ideal for the post-workout
period. Ingesting 30 to 40 grams of pure whey protein isolate will
quickly switch your body from a state of catabolism to a state of
anabolism. Your body will stop breaking down muscle protein because it
will now be provided with an external source. This quick shot of whey
protein will be rapidly absorbed by your muscles and will speed up the
rate of protein synthesis going on within your body. This will
ultimately lead to a faster recovery period and greater gains in muscle
mass. The most important thing to remember here is that you must mix
your protein in water, not milk. The reason for this is that you want
the fastest acting protein you can possibly get, and milk slows down the
absorption of whey significantly. So does fiber. Any other time during
the day milk is fine, but during the post-workout period you must use
water. These carbohydrates should ideally come in the form of simple
sugar from a high glycemic juice or other sugary drink. Not fiber. The
easiest and cheapest method that I have found is to simply go to the
grocery store and purchase a bag of corn sugar (dextrose). This is a
cheap and very effective post-workout sugar. You need to replenish
your blood sugar levels and help to restore your muscle glycogen. Both
of these have been drained as a result of your workout and play a very
important role in energy production and muscle building. Even more
importantly than that, a quick shot of simple sugars during the
post-workout period will produce an insulin-spike in your body. This
rapid rise in insulin will drive all of that important protein (and the
other nutrients I’m about to mention) into your muscle cells at an even
faster rate. On the biological value scale of protein, where a whole
egg is 100. Whey protein is rated at 104. Soy protein is rated at 74.
Trimmed steak and chicken breast are both 80. Soy protein is relatively
low quality compared to other easily accessible proteins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjZs0DGW1Jk&feature=share

no your not.

Before the grammar police show up, I realize it should be “your hypocrisy…” irony at its finest! lol

Just what I expected. Nice try though! LOL!

Hey everyone,

I believe the mods want us to continue the discussion here:

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Cheers!

Dancingbear40 make is making point, of which you are kind of missing: you say just because it was turned down doesn’t make it bad…Dancingbear40 is saying it doesn’t necessarily make it good either. Both valid points.

And you are that 99% lol sucker. Next time just look at yourself in the mirror and look for the bog L on your forhead. I am making about 8 G a month off lossers like you. Pyramids are great when there are suckers like you around lol

Elizzyp, you are right about that only suckers fall for it. But the biggest fool is you who seem to know all about it and sit on chat boards waisting your time writing about something you are not even involved in LOL sucker!!

Man it is so funny to hear you hater’s out there who just didn’t make it in the business. The reason most people don’t make is because you don’t follow the system that was in place. But i guarantee if you your has training to do your job you will be their. Why build somebody else’s dream when you can build your own. But wait you’ll say that we are in a pyramid scheme how bout you think about something for a little bit. Where you work, who makes the most money, CEO than the President, VP, Managers, Supervisors, than people like you and me who are employee’s. Now i hate to tell you but you will never make more than the CEO so in today’s society that would be called a pyramid also. So that is BIG scam because when you walk in the door for that job you are hoping that you will be able to make alot of money to do what retire. Please, you won’t be able to retire because they will fire you and hire somebody else so they won’t have to pay you retirement. So while you out here hating on people who are making a difference go look in the mirror and hate yourself for wasting time at your stinking job where in 15-20 yrs without retirement you might be saying welcome to Walmart have a wonderful day.

You are right just like I am suckering people into drinking a shake. Mc Donalds is suckering families into feeding their kids food that is slowly killing them and starting an epidemic of Diabetes and heart disease. And you guys are smart lol Yeah I love this world stupid asses all over the place. I got about 500 suckers in my downline paying my bills LOL keep em coming

The false promise: Follow the money folks… People in mlms claim to make millions and have helped other make millions but yet have nothing to show for it. They claim they make money yet drive crappy cars, live in apartments, and best of all will

never reveal their W2 or 1099’s simply because they never made any real

money but rather made less money than a guy working in corporate America. We have asked over a dozen agents from Primerica, 5Linx and
Visalus for some 1099’s and have received nothing in the past 2 years
and yet constantly argue that they make money. Simply pathetic. We even
met a guy at Primerica who claimed to make $30,000 a month and yet wore a
$100 suit, lived in a van and smelled homeless but yet he made $30,000 a
month… WOW… Do you really want to belong to that crow of elite idiots?

this is such an ignorant article

why would anyone waste their time to give some random slandering individual a copy of their financials?  I’m sorry, you are WHO again??

It is a ignorant article because it doesn’t say what you want it to. It tells the tructh and that is what you visalus bunch hate isn’t it.

He didn’t say anything about fiancials he just said if you are braging about how much money you make you should be willing to proof it.

You mlm flunkies are really dense.  They brain wash you into believing every business is a pyramid.  I have a job that pays me, gives me benefits, insurance, vacations, sick days, pays social security and medicare for me, pays unemployment taxs ( so if I do lose my job I will have an income), In 15-20 years working at a job you will have retirement, you will not have to pay health bills, you will have had vacations paid for, you will have had a pay check you could count so that you could have saved, you would be able to put them on loan applications for houses, cars, furniture etc so you will have that.  After working 15-20 years for an mlm you will have nothing but lost friends and bills.  I can not believe that you actually are brainwashed enough to think that because they get you to foot the bill for selling their crap you own a business.  LOL It is a pyramid because you have to recruit other people (your own competition) In a real jon you don’t do that. 

I would rather chase my tail then bunch of BS Visalus is pushing at least I would have something if I caught it.  LOL

They are taught well in their stalking brain washing sessions.  I wonder wish cycle is stalking. He is out witting his own common sense.  You know these people are desperate when they reach for the Bible. “Go ahead hate you neighbor, go ahead cheat a friend, do it in the name of Jesus you can justify in the end.  But one day judgement day came……..”  That is an old protest song of Peter, Paul, and Mary.

You would not miss lead them but you are selling Visalus?  What is wrong with this picture.

You are disgusting.  You not only make money off people by lying to them but you than you turn around and brag about it. Sold your soul did ya?

If I am a sucker so be it.  But I will always cry out when I see people being taken advantage of.  I don’t have to be personally involved to know when something is wrong. That is called having morals. LOL at you.

And you are dusgusting. Sold soul um…how does that feel.

I have learnt most the time the hard way.  I am trying to educate other people so they won’t have to learn the way I did.

back ground in powerlifting and personal training is that Visalus talk for hey I watch TV.  I have something I would not trade for your back ground commonn sense.  About my grammar I am not in English Class nor am I submitting a paper for puplication I am on a blog…….get real.. I miss push some letters so what.  It is the ideas that are in question here not writing ability.  By the way I don’t pretend to be a professional writer nor an English Teacher just a humble accountant and the numbers don’t add up.

Good post

Most say Visalus gives them a lot of energy. What in it gives them this?  Sorry to bother but I am afraid if they knew they would still lie about it.

I am not making assumptions.  The fact that you are selling Visalus speaks for itself.

if soy was bad it would taken off the market…wow…you mean like cigarettes? or alcohol?  not very logical.

you don’t do any of what you’ve just said…other than be a stay at home mom.  You’re failing and being convinced that you’re not.

you equate loosing weight with first hand knowledge of…what exactly?  Loosing weight is not a way to measure health, it’s a perceived notion of health put out by the media, television etc.  And nobody except superficial individuals care about having a BMW.  Who really cares what type of constructed metal riding machine you drive.  Every single comment posted by Visalus individuals seem to be focused on weight loss and money.  Why not be like the rest of us and focus on sincere happiness and health.  Being skinny doesn’t mean you’re healthy, having a BMW that you have to pay for doesn’t equate to anything healthy either…you seem confused. 

And just because you received a lot of money for becoming an “Ambassador” doesn’t mean much to most people who have true health and wealth.  It just shows that you have been lobbied by another well to do manipulative corporation.  One of the big concerns in this world are people like Ally081022.  Focus on money at whatever expense necessary.  The products you are offering assist you in loosing weight because they are starving your body nutritionally.  To loose weight properly you need five to six whole food meals per day.  You need an exercise regiment, maybe a trainer as well.  The shakes you offer are filled with fibre and soy.  Soy is very dangerous unless fermented properly.  You’re assisting people in an unhealthy lifestyle choice.  Not my opinion, a fact.

It does not show she is a professional in her field.  It shows she has spell check and wishes to convey her message accurately.

The soy is non GMO, it’s a soy isolate and actually has no estrogen in it at all???  How can a soy isolate be free of phytoestrogens?  It isn’t fermented, otherwise it wouldn’t be a soy iso.  Please explain.

Maybe you could visit my wife at the University of Toronto in her lab and explain it to her…I’m sure she would be more than willing to here what you have to say.

right. it doesn’t state that it is new zealand whey or that the cows are meadow fed…and yes, soy promotes an unhealthy amount of estrogen in the human body.

Your post-workout
meal may very well be your most important meal of the day. The reason
is that when you’re finished with an intense workout, you’re entering a
catabolic state (muscle eating state) where your muscle glycogen is
depleted and increased cortisol ( fat storing/muscle eating hormone)
levels are beginning to excessively break down muscle tissue. These
conditions (if left to go too long) are not good and the only way to
reverse this catabolic state (and promote an anabolic state (muscle
growing state)) is to consume a quickly digestible post-workout meal as
soon as you can after training. The goal is to choose a meal with
quickly digestible carbs (not fiber) to replenish muscle glycogen as
well as quickly digestible protein to provide the amino acids needed to
jump start muscular repair. The surge of carbohydrates and amino acids
from this quickly digested meal promotes an insulin spike from the
pancreas, which shuttles nutrients into the muscle cells.
 
Whey
protein is the fastest acting protein available and this is why it is
absolutely ideal for the post-workout period. Ingesting 30 to 40 grams
of pure whey protein isolate will quickly switch your body from a state
of catabolism to a state of anabolism. Your body will stop breaking down
muscle protein because it will now be provided with an external source.
This quick shot of whey protein will be rapidly absorbed by your
muscles and will speed up the rate of protein synthesis going on within
your body. This will ultimately lead to a faster recovery period and
greater gains in muscle mass.
 
The
most important thing to remember here is that you must mix your protein
in water, not milk. The reason for this is that you want the fastest
acting protein you can possibly get, and milk slows down the absorption
of whey significantly. So does fiber. Any other time during the day milk
is fine, but during the post-workout period you must use water.
 
These
carbohydrates should ideally come in the form of simple sugar from a
high glycemic juice or other sugary drink. Not fiber. The easiest and
cheapest method that I have found is to simply go to the grocery store
and purchase a bag of corn sugar (dextrose). This is a cheap and very
effective post-workout sugar.
You
need to replenish your blood sugar levels and help to restore your
muscle glycogen. Both of these have been drained as a result of your
workout and play a very important role in energy production and muscle
building.
 
Even
more importantly than that, a quick shot of simple sugars during the
post-workout period will produce an insulin-spike in your body. This
rapid rise in insulin will drive all of that important protein (and the
other nutrients I’m about to mention) into your muscle cells at an even
faster rate.
 
ViSalus protein mix is very high in fiber and designed for slow digestion and slow absorption
 into the body, which is great for any meal of the day other than post-workout. 
 
On
the biological value scale of protein, where a whole egg is 100. Whey
protein is rated at 104. Soy protein is rated at 74. Trimmed steak and
chicken breast are both 80. Soy protein is relatively low quality
compared to other easily accessible proteins.

Huh.  It’s still a poorly made product comparatively speaking.

BLA ! BLA BLA!

But still.  Wouldn’t you rather get your information about weight loss and financial success from professionals? 

To me what proves Visalus is a scam more than anything is the way they flood the web with fake unbiased reviews.  They must have something to hide or they wouldn’t be throwing up the distractions that way.

hahaha….ok you got me

The reason that ViSalus doesnt OFFER our products to retail stores is as plain as day. It would totally defeat the purpose of an IBO having the opportunity to be an IBO. If I could go to the store & get our products from GNC, then there would be no need for the entrepreneur IBO. ViSalus is not going to “sell out” the distributor base to the retail franchise market.

Secondly, our products are federally funded by the National Institute of Health, patented and patent-pending, and formulated in an FDA-inspected laboratory. BCBS is even reimbursing insurance claims for our products on a case by case basis for employees with chronic health problems related to obesity as well as diabetes. Which also means, Doctors are writing prescriptions for ViSalus as a proactive means of weight management.

Well Said!

actually its $29 a month for your entire business overhead (website included)  and that’s only if you want the upgraded PRO.  The basic site is free my man

Good research!

You have completely lost it.  Your products are not funded by the NIH unless Visalus set up the bogus institute how can you lie like that? Are you that desperat.  I can see how you could be since they sell this crap all over the net work. Visalus doesn’t even try to control the quality or quanity of their distributors and they are so greedy they even sell it on the web.  You can not get a patent on anything that use ordinary ingrediants (like vitamins, soy), etc there is nothing unusal about them and the procedure to mix them is ordinary. There is nothing new to patent.  Doctors are not allowed to write prescriptions for over the counter by brand name.  Get Real Get a Brain.  They are going to be coming after you next you will be seeing little green men and hearing voices.  UNbelivable………….

You have no sense of understanding of business.  The reason they don’t sell in stores is simple.  They can not compete with similar products on price and quality.  They could not sell this stuff to the people you do because they are your friends and family and you are really conning them into some get rich quick scheme.  Without the scheme no one would bother with the product.  It would be no one chose without being cohersed. They get you flunkies to pay all the expenses and push it off on your friends and family til they have sucked you dry than they move on to new suckers. Lordy people get some common sense.

BLA BLA BLA…

once again, This is all documented information, I have actual prescriptions written by real doctors, actually BCBS information, and all the NIH info can all be corroborated if you would actually do some research from accredited sources as oppose to reading the Daily Inquirer….

hey kid, you haven’t brought any facts to the table, only your very small opinion that leaves a lot to be desired. You continue to “do you!”  But thank you! Seriously! Because it’s ignorant uneducated people like yourself who continue to bring nothing to this world (other than a bunch of complaining) that reaffirm my gratitude and appreciation for the opportunity that we’ve been blessed with everyday.  So for you who complains all day, angry at the world, and says that it can’t be done, stop interrupting the rest of us who have done it already. 

I’m not asking…the nice people at Secret Entourage are asking. I don’t blame you if you don’t want to post something like that here…pretty personal stuff to post on the Internet.

This is getting ridiculous. There are some of you here that I’ve had the pleasure of debating this subject, and we just seem to be going in circles. Other than what Ecusouthpaw15 just wrote – which is a well thought-out post and is information I had yet to hear on this blog (kinda made me go “hmmm”), we are just repeating ourselves.

I’ll bet that we share the same views on a lot of other subjects, just not mlm…and that’s cool…everyone can’t share the same views (what a boring world this would be). I guess what I’m trying to say is: regardless of what I’ve written on this blog, just know that I don’t think any of you are bad people, … we just don’t agree on this one subject. Hell, I bet if we hung out together over a couple brews, we’d probably discover we share more in common than we think!

To Dave Vanoke: I’ll admit that I was being a smart-ass with you the other day, my apologies… I guess sometimes I post things a little too quick, then regret it afterwards. You seem like a nice, intelligent chap, and I wish you luck in your business (not being sarcastic here).

To Elizzyp: you’ve been like my brother/sister here on this blog, supporting and complimenting my posts…I’m happy to hear some of your family members are coming around. I think you are a very caring and passionate person with strong family values, and I admire that very much.

Yeah, you are off a little on those claims. Only thing I can find is that Visalus is based on NIH funded research. Very different that actually being funded.
Also, here’s a quote from the product data sheet that I found interesting. “These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.” FDA inspected laboratory means nothing except that the lab is safe. Speaks nothing of the product itself.

Further, I have yet to find a patent that Visalus owns. Their products use patented (by other companies) ingredients which many other products use as well. They do seem to have one patent pending, which means they’ve applied for a patent, not that it will be approved.

Funny story…I sold $5000 worth of products the FIRST MONTH and now sell over $20,000 per month and have a free BMW. Hmm…yeah I’ll take that ’scam of the month’ EVERY DAY. You’re entitled to your opinion and just because you can’t follow a simple system and make money by accident is only because of the 21st letter of the alphabet. Fix that and you can make real money too.

Funny. You call other people out for not doing research and it seems you haven’t even read the agreement you signed with them.
“I understand that I am not being sold a franchise or business opportunity.”
Entrepreneur? IBO? What?

Brilliant. You’re more evidence of what this article and the one referenced below are pointing out. Everyone involved in these things lies about how much they make. Why? Because it’s in your best interest to do so. You need to so that you can sell more of your product or you won’t get that BMW payment. Trust me, that BMW is far from free.

Wow why are you guys so brutal? If you don’t believe in Visalus that’s fine,but on the other hand some people do ….respect that. Another point to make in regards to FDA…it means squat….really you would trust their stamp of approval. They are making money stamping stuff and then you see all those commercials to call an attorney if you have been affected or seriously injured or even died. Stick with what works for you dont be haters .

Let me explain why most of you MLM’ers here are slightly delusional, something that many people here are trying to tell you.

Yes, both an MLM and a 9-5 day job structure are in the shape of a pyramid.  However your day job doesn’t require you to pay money to get hired, unlike MLM initiation fees, nor does it require you to buy minimum amounts of products every month.  Imagine you worked in a car parts store and every month you’d be required to purchase $250 worth of car parts.  Wouldn’t that be silly?  Yeah, I thought so.  Also a regular job doesn’t push you to recruit more people to work for them or underneath you.  That’s typically what MLM companies do, as well as pimps and drug dealers.  Just sayin.

If the MLM product you’re trying to pitch is so great, then trust me, it would be sold in the stores.  But it’s not, so instead of educated nutritionists selling these shakes, the company will take ANYONE off the street to peddle them to their friends and family, ANYONE who pays the initiation fee with promises of riches in the long run.  Why should I trust my health to some company I’ve never heard of, with my daily nutrition sold by someone who probably never had a day of nutrition or fitness training ever in their life?  Best way to lose wieght?  Keep calories low, and excercise.  There are no shortcuts. None. 

If you’d like to hold on to your friends, please keep your MLM business and friend activities seperate.  Don’t spam your facebook about your products day in and day out, keep personal parties and product demos seperate, and respect the fact that not everyone will agree with you about your products or want to be a distributor.  I’ve had “friends” who post 30 articles a day about their MLM products, whose posts I had to permantently hide because it was just too much spam, to “friends” who sent out invites to their birthday/moving/going away/summer bbq parties at which there would be quick product presentations about their MLM business.  If I wanted a presentation I’d ask for one.  I don’t care to go to a LEISURE party only to be pitched stuff about some business, especialy by a “friend”.   Imagine if I worked at a bakery, and all I’d post about on facebook was breads, and more breads, and when I’d throw parties at my place I’d make every one learn more things about how bread is made and how great it is.  I think everyone would get tired of it all quite fast.  That’s how we feel when you MLM’ers spam us with your MLM flavour of the day idea.

Lastly, if you’re going go all out and promote your company and scream as to how great it is, perhaps you should do it after achieving some level of success first.  Bragging how Visalus will give you a free Bimmer, or how 25 people a day qualify for free Bimmers is all great but why aren’t you the one driving the “free” car?  Your friends might believe you once you get to that level yourself, but until then, shut up and work hard.  And besides, the free Bimmer is not free.  You’ll get up to $600/month reimbursed if you drive a black BMW and achieve a certain level of product sales.  If you fall off that level, you’ll lose the reimbursement.  Simple as that.  Plus, if your credit is crap and you don’t qualify for a lease through BMW financial, you’re not going to get any BMW lease whatsoever.  Now here’s an idea.  Start your own small business, and you can too write off your lease payments when doing tax returns.  Work in sales?  Same thing.  Nothing special here.  Oh yeah, and to those who think that your company somehow created a black BMW shortage and that BMW created special colors just for Visalus (somewhere in the comments way below), please lay off the crack pipe and grow up.  Just another brainwashing you got from your upline. 

The reason I’m writing all this?  I’ve known many people who pitch whatever MLM product is hot as the next best thing, trying to recruit me, only to change their pitch a year later about some other MLM scam they say is even better than the previous one.  Keep this in mind kids:  those who are successful in an MLM business, whether they’re your upline or someone way higher who are making a ton of money, have the personality to be successful at ANY sales job.  They can sell hot tubs, crayons, or fanny packs, and they’d make a killing off it, just because they are good at selling anything.  Every company has these superstars.  Don’t think that they are good because of the product they pitch.  They were born good or they trained to be good and can apply their selling skills anywhere. 

Good luck!

i pay … or should i say PAID 99 plus shipping. to have it AUTOSHIPPED every month is FREE. now… for the transformation kit i think thats the hefty price tag one…. I am getting mine for free. i have a few friends doing it with me. i am also a promoter. only been in it for about a month. my up line has been in it for 6 months. is making around 4,000 a month. and the wife, husband and 18 yr old son are all driving BMW’s…. they are living comfortably to say the least. i see their checks…. i see how they live. where they live. thats proof enough for me. 

OR MINE lol nicolewoodcock.bodybyvi.com :] i agree with david! NOT JUNK!

LMFAO
1..Don’t know when this article was posted… but the “few lucky” regional directors has reached over 5000….
2 There is no requirement to put any decals anywhere. 
3. at the RD level you are making an extra $600-$3000 on top of the $600 bonus. 
4. you don’t quit your job at the RD level unless you are a moron. 
5. You don’t lease the BMW unless you a) can afford it outside of visalus or b) you make a decision not to quit promoting… (just as you would do with a job)
6. your article makes you sound like you are a complete failure that got lied to about how netWORK marketing works…
7 there are probably about 300 nutritionists that are now promoting this, and Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance is covering the cost of it for some folks who have obesity related diseases. 
8 the $1200 commissions for selling $5000 of product, good luck finding that kind of margin in any traditional sales job.

9 you are so dumb, you are really dumb, you know that (antoine dobson)

please get some different brain washing. You are a hater , you are a negative person is getting old. You MLMers have wore it out.

This is the most sense you have made.

All documented information. Documented where, Visalus web site. Oh, Goody I am going to beleive them. I would find more truth and less delusion in the Daily Inquirer than from you Visalus people.  You use words like and based on and expect people not to see through it.  If you believe that doctors write prescription for this crap ( I mean since when do you need a prescription to get this stuff it is sold on ever street corner and back alley) and that BCBS will pay for it you must not only have a steady diet of reading the Daily Inquirer you must write for them.  Did you come down on a space ship and bring Visalus to the world as a gift.  LOL

Yes I will continue to be me.  I will stand up when some is being done wrong.  But you do know I hope that even though I am standing up to you because ai think you are hurting others I would also stand up for you If some one was hurting you.  I an not complaining and I am not angry. I have resaerched this company going back to its beginning and I am not against you I against them for conning people like you. I don’t think you are aware of the wrong you are doing to your friends and family but they are aware of it and don’t care.  They do not care if you or anyone else gets hurt. They tell you a bunch of lies and they are the best at brain washing and I know you were looking for an opportunity to better yourself.  They take advantage of that and fill you with misinformation.  i am not angry at you. You are just another one of their victims and I hope you come out of it ok.

1-9 especailly 7 You really aren’t that delusional are you.  Did they wash all common sense out of your brain?

You are either lying or so delusional they will come and lock you.  Don’t drive any heavy equipment.

Don’t go.  Yes we are going over and over the same things but there are new people coming on that don’t have the facts and need your help.  Your intelligence and knowledge would be missed.  You have never been a smart ass, that’s me.  I see everything as a satire and with humor and can not resist putting my jabs into the mix. You have been very informative and polite.

You have been in a month and your up line has been living this life for six months.  uh uh uh……..Every wonder why there is no long timers……….

The sale has became a GIANTATIC sale.

Talking about it being 2011 doesn’t it bother anyone that this stuff still comes in a powder form that needs to be put in a mixer with milk.  I thought they had evolved away from that a long time ago.   Just wonder it seems awful unhandy.

Finally, you are saying something intelligent.

false. 
Visalus has removed the Isoflavons from the Soy, no phytoestrogens in this shake. 

Also, proper nutrition has been proven 1000 times over as a way to increase your metabolism and burn fat. 

As long as you can get your vitamins, protein and fibre, youre good to go. The shakes aren’t miracle drugs, its grade 9 biology. 

The patented anti-aging energy formula is the only real revolution. But it won’t help with weight, just wrinkles, hair, and hearing. 

sorry for bursting your  bubble. You just hate MLM, which is fine, because so do I. But I’m not to blinded by hate to ignore the facts.

They’re cheaper that 95% of their competitors, and they taste better than all of them. 

Much appreciated…I’m not going anywhere (yet)…

so i been lookin at the chat board and your a fuckin idiot…visalus is like any other job, you put the time into it you get paid well which is exactly what they are trying to promote.  They offer a company car in which they will pay for it if you continue to work for them.  Its like any job but the hype for this job is that it is readily available and there is huge opportunity in it if the time is put in.  You would be selling a product to people who need it which i know works from seeing my friends take the challenge. its not a scam, its a job.  Its actually one of the easiest jobs out there. Recruit a person a day and get an outstanding commission sounds pretty good.  I know that by reading your posts you are under 16 and are very stubborn.  Even if the facts were right under your nose which they ARE you would still believe urself. 

$1200 commission on $5000?

Wow, great margin.

So, can you tell us why the great commissions?

They offer a company car? You are totally wack.

To get that great commission you have to pay $500 or $1000. Sign up three people under you. Then you have to sell that amount yourself to some one you have not signed up under you.  This is not as easy as it sounds because what you are really selling is not the crappy product but the selling of the crappy product so it is kind of hard to sell the people $5000 of product.

You are delusional like the other MLMers that hasn’t come to their senses.  You are the one who is not seeing what is under your nose.  Read what Ex-Visalus Distributor ( he/she has been there) and Jerry wrote. If I was the only one here telling you this I might understand your insults but I will just chalk it up to the lack of charcter that it takes to con your friends and family.

Interesting conversation.  I work a full time job. I play the penny stock market. I have a college degree (which really doesnt mean anything)  My wife did avon.  She made some money.  Enough to make our monthly car payment.  We did Monavie in early mid 2000’s.  Made about $1500 in 4 months and couldnt afford autoship anymore (neither could our friends).  We did Amway in 90’s.  Made nothing.  We own an Mixed Martial Arts apparel company on the side.  Alot of fun.  Selling alot of shirts but overhead for website, ecommerce, inventory, marketing and sponsorships of fighters puts us still at a loss after 1 1/2 years.   Our AI (Angel Investor) knows the market and our business plan puts us profitable in about another 6 months.   My wife started Visalus in September.  I lost 20 pounds and quit coffee.  My buddies who fight for a living say they love it (their not distributors).  Our autoship has been free because we have about a dozen customers.  My wife, in 3 months has about 35 distributors.  Her commissions are way more than we anticipated.  Most of her distributors pay nothing for their autoship.  She got the BMW bonus.  That was nice.  We bought a used BMW w/ low miles for about $300 a month.  We pocket the difference towards gas and maintanence.   Just like the penny stock market, I do not fall in love w/ companies.  I follow trends and momentum.  If Visalus lasts long and continues to grow, great.  If not, we move on.   I would be hard pressed to call it a scam though.  Great Blog.  Thanks for the content.   

Good! You have a rang of sanity they dearly needed.  I look at it this way in trying to get these MLMer’s attention I maybe a smart ass but that is better than being a dumb ass…….not naming any names …….

FDA doen’t inspect labs they inspect food and drugs hence the Food and Drug Adminstration. Get some common sense I can not beleive that you will lie like this what would your Mother say.  Shame on You.

The Patent you are talking about is pending and has not been proven to do anything.. I just read a newspaper article that said after an 18 year study that vitamin supplements are useless and can even be harmful if you get to much of a certain vitamin ( this dependents on individual make up). It went on to state that the only mineral that has been proven to benefit us on a daily basis is calcium. Of course we have known for years that vitamin supplements go right through our body and are a waste of time.  But concerning Visalus is the fact the people selling this make out it is such a miracle drug with everything your body needs and such a great weight loss product but then they still try to sell you appitite suppresents and vitamins…why is that why do you still need all this other stuff if the shakes are such a great thing?  Just wondering….

You better not call it a job some of these Visalus people will go off on you.   They do not want a job  they are business owners   I dare You.  Visalus will not like it either because the contract you signed with them says (maybe you didn’t read it  oh surely you are smarter than that) plainly that you are not an employee and you don’t represent them……It looks like you made a boo boo.

That is a funny story Ha Ha Ha Ha……………

so you are good at selling unknown products to customers that you find. Why not start your own independent business and you can make a lot of money.

All kidding aside. Visalus people lets talk.  The principal that I live my life on is that I have lived my long enough to know that there is very few things in life are worth getting upset about and even fewer people.  One of the things I find worth getting upset about is people taking advantage of other people.  I am sure you are good people as the anti visalus people are good people. I am not angry at you I am angry at Visalus for taking advantage of YOU.  I think we are on this earth for the same thing trying to live our life the best we can and we should help each other along. I wish you could see yourself from our advantage point ( which is you in about 6 months or so)  They have taught you that if we are aginst Visalus we are against you (nothing could be father from the truth we would like to help you) that we are haters but aren’t you the one doing the hating.  Hating us for popping your bubble. You call us negative but are you the negative ones automatically think we are hating on you and are ignorant. They teach you that you are helping people but they are using you to use your friends and families poor body images and the desire to better their circumstances against them to sell them a product that is iffy at best.  They know you are the only one who could sell this stuff and scheme to them because they love and trust you.  They don’t care that your loved ones are going to feel betrayed by you and you are going to feel ashamed and sorry.  They are taking advantage of your desire to do better for your family.   The big titles, BMW, meetings, that you own a business are to trap you into a faking feeling of self importance.  They want to tell you you own a business because they do not want to take responsibility for you ( that is why they encourage you to lie) or to you.  They want you to take all the risk, expense and exposure.  They can offer you the BMW because it is no exposure to them just you. I am not disparaging you only the company and their tatics.  I pray for and wish you all well.  We all have been brainwashed at one time or another the trick is  to recognize it and but a stop to it .  It is not being weak to be brainwashed it is weak to let them get by with it and not to defend others from it.

Thanks for the comment.  I truly think that you will run into this with any situation where you must market someone else’s product.  I have actually felt guilty at one time or another in my sales rep jobs since graduating college in 1990.  My life as a sales rep selling medical equipment, pharmaceuticals, finacial planning and even insurance for a major company has been filled w/ suggestions from the corporation to cut corners in order to make the sale.  To be quite honest, I see very little difference of the marketing approach of big conventional businesses and these multi level marketing deals.  These conventional firms (especially in the insurance and finanical planning industry) push you to contact all your friends and family first.  When my friends and family had claims that didnt qualify wheter they were in the right or wrong, I turned out to be the bad guy.  Almost every company wheter conventional or multi level has tactics that takes advantage of consumers.  Example- tobacco, pharmaceutical, health and wellness products, fast food, automotive sales, mortgage.     I have friends and family who market (sell) in all those arenas.  You could replace the visalus name above with Philipp Morris, Fannie Mae, the local car dealership, hydroxy cut, bank of america.  Again, Great Blog.  Just note, some of the sponsors on the side of your site have been documented to have takent advantage of consumers or even workers. 
Peace,
Flip Entrepreneur

This is not my site but I think the advertisers on the side are meant to be sarcasm rather than actual advertsing.  I get you point but my objection to visalus ( and the ones like them is they don’t stop at selling a overpriced worthless even harmful product to your friends and family but to get them to invest their hard earned money also and to sell all this under theguise of helping people.  Also they preach so much hate for people who don’t go along with them.  Look at past posts from people selling you would think we attacked their religion.  It is the tricks and the manupliation of people.  The way the try to make people believe that they are business owners when all they really want is not to have any responsibility to or for the people they use.  The main objective is to get the people selling to take all rhe risk, expense, and exposure.  They do not care what happens to these people they have set up for a fall.  I have worked in nonprofit most my work life so I have no moral qualms.  But can see were people come from if they do.  But my point again is we have to many in this world out to scam us we don’t need to have to worry about our family and friends doing it.  Good luck

My deceased ex-husband was a black belt in Tae Kwon Do.  He wouldn’t have never took these shakes and certainly would never have sold them he took the philosophy side very seriously. Do no harm.

Quote of the day.  Albert Einstein said  “Try not to become a person of success but a person of value.”  Me being me ( as has been pointed out in not so flattering way)of course I would not leave it alone so I would add “and a person with values.”

Quote of the day.  Albert Einstein said  “Try not to become a person of success but a person of value.”  Me being me ( as has been pointed out in not so flattering way)of course I would not leave it alone so I would add “and a person with values.”

Quote of the day.  Albert Einstein said  “Try not to become a person of success but a person of value.”  Me being me ( as has been pointed out in not so flattering way)of course I would not leave it alone so I would add “and a person with values.”

Quote of the day.  Albert Einstein said  “Try not to become a person of success but a person of value.”  Me being me ( as has been pointed out in not so flattering way)of course I would not leave it alone so I would add “and a person with values.”

I am not a Visalus distributor, but I like your comment. Especially your advice–focus on the positive things in life. I will keep in mind. 

This comment goes out to Elizzyp …..you seem to have enough time to sit here and be a hator,but guess what haters are motivators! You seem to have done your research on Visalus however you see the concept but in your warped mind you are finding negative things to say. How healthy are you? What is your weight…….do you have a goal to become a better person whether it be mentally or physically? Probably not. You are paying to start up a business if you know anything about business you would get it.I could sit here forever and go back and forth with you ,but i have to get off my chair and go to work. Ps i have lost 5lbs in 9 days on the challenge. Kudos to me!

I really think you MLMers need to come up with a new brainwashing  because hatrers, negative people, ignorant people, losers all the negative terms they taught you to use toward people that disagree with you should be changed you have really wore those out.  I take the time to sit here and try to save some one from this scam because I care and I even care about you even though you have such hate for people you don’t even know but that see through all the smoke and mirrors and try to help you. Don’t you see you are the ones hating being negative to people who care enough to try to help you.  Don’t you see you are the losers because this company has made you into losers. Can you not see that you are the uninformed because.you did not do enough research into this company and its tatics but that is what they count on.  Donn’t you realize they want you to hate and be negative toward us because they don want you informed and to slip out of their web until they have sucked you dry.  Please be careful there is a bunch of people that has been taking this and ending up in the hospital. I heard of an Ambassador who ended up in the hospital, got out and went to one of the brainwashing meets, came back and got off the plane and had to go back into the hospital, please pray for him everyone. I am very healthy.  If you want to lose weight get on a healthy eating habit, exercise and you not only lose weight but lose it and keep it off. Quick weight lost is not healthy.  Plwase read all the postings here.  Educate yourself and then go and educate others.  I have done a lot of charity work. But right now my goal to make myself a better person is to care enough to sit here and warn you and others.

Quote of the day by Charles Jones “The difference between who you are today and who you’ll be in 5 years are the people you spend time with and the books you read.

You’ll hear variations of the following statement from distributors: “I’m just a simple person who wants to help people”…yeah, but they all have one common alterior motive: money…you really want to help people? why not canvass for the Heart and Stroke Foundation, volunteer your time at shelters/soup kitchens and help lines, donate to the Salvation Army…Distributors want your money, plain and simple. There are many reasons why MLM/ Pyramid schemes have such a bad rep.

Easily done on any other 90 day program. Hence, 90 day challenge.

You’re an idiot!  Every business is in it to make money, but not many out there like the companies you’ll find in the Direct Sales, Network Marketing industry who actually give more money back than most corporate companies ever will.  You get paid what you’re worth in this industry. If you don’t work you don’t get paid, kind of like a job, only here you’re accountable for you and what you are willing to do. 
Get a clue, this industry sells more products, goods and services than any other industry.  You’d be wise to jump on board with one. 

Why would I jump on board with someone who just called me an idiot.  You see people?  This is the class of people you’d be dealing with…plus, you missed the point entirely…the point is the distributors always say they “just want to help people”, when in fact, they just want to help themselves.

The MLM industry is laughable, and you mlmers crack me up! Good luck to you!

I have worked many “normal” dead end jobs from slave to management levels. I have worked the normal self employed own your own business angle. I have also been involved with the networking industry since 1983. I have to say its a crime to see that someone as ignorant as you can post this kind of information.  I know what kind of person you are from reading some of your stuff. For anyone that is looking at this for an informed opinion please do yourself the favor of getting a true informed opion, this website, and the person writing it, are simply being negative for the sake of something to do. This info is totally uninformed. It is one sided extemely biased.

The network marketing industry is exploding, it is FULL of success. Of course it is also full of losers, and scams, that’s true for any industry.  If you are looking into this industry you must go in with both eyes open. Like any other industry, there are good companies and good products, good people involved and “un-good” people. I have seen both.

For whomever is writing this site and these blogs, actually I feel sorry for you.  You are hanging a flag that reaks of ignorance. What you really should spend your time doing is getting yourself a real job and shutting up. However I understand you need attention and this is the way that you find you can fill that void, and thus validate yourself.

I hope you find a cure for your illness.  It really is embarassing and sad to see someone screaming for “look at me, I am so sick, I really need help” yet not excepting the help when it comes.

From an educated fellow in the work force. Good luck.J

Maybe you need to know more about the people who wrote this article. Here you go:

http://www.secretentourage.com/what-is-secret-entourage/

I have been driving a  free 5 series BMW for over a year, My husband and I have been eating breakfast and lunch for FREE for 14 months, we have lost 20 pounds a piece and I have earned enough in commisions that we have erased some debt hanging over our head- I have helped a lot of people improve their physical and financial health–call it what you want- I call it a God send!

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What is sad my friend is that anyone can call themselve educated.  What you are saying is showing otherwise. The sad thing is all you delusional mlmers.

Well good for you.  Are you planning on taking the shakes for the rest of your life.  Are your friends and families planning on staying on these shakes to provide you with BMW and commsiion.  I didn’t think so.  Please never help me I could not stand it.

Don’t you mean walk the board with me.  Your ship will sink.

You said it all and well. Great post.

I sold this secret to countless people and made millions!

Today, I will give you this secret free.

1st step:

open up a browser and go to Google

2nd step:

Type in “90 day diet plan”

3rd step:

Pick one and try it.

Voila!!! 3 easy steps!! Yours today from me for FREE!!

I can not imagine anything more boring then drinking a shake (free or not) morning and noon. Having a meal is chewing, taste, texture, and aroma of your food this is what motivates you to stay on a diet and eat right. No the same old shake over and over and over……….No my idea of the good life.

Free BMW? Really?

I want to tank Elizzip and Ex-Visalus distributors for opening my eyes. Terrible how you can feel ashame when your enter a distribusionship like Visalus without beeing able to sale or when you just don’t want to rush people to buy. At the beggening i was approach by old frieds from college ( i’m 44 now) and was desparate to regain energy after 18 operations in 4 years. That was my real goal when i started Visalus and it worked after 1 week so i was realy happy and suddenly they wanted me to become a distributor and 1 had a week to make my decision so my friend could be a raising star. All of the sudden i was a distributor because i felt bad to let go my friend who helped me regaining my energy…..and so on.
After a while a strarted my rising star course to please my recrutor and so on… I past the first month working like crazy, preparing parties, even going at the hospital to talk to people like me, talking about the ” supposed benefits on healt that my friend told me she saw, my experience, my weigh loss, and going on many “lost weight forums” to put my annonces. During that month my new customers where not so impressed by the product…they almost didn’t see any difference in their healt, weigh or energy. Of course i was starting to understand that 1 was an exception because of my past story of healt.  weeks after i had a terrible pain in my cheast… thinkinf 1 was going to faint…telling my husban to prepare himself for my hospital admission if so…but finaly it stoped. One of my up had a heart attack the next week but he is so convinced of the product and the buisness that he recruted 3 clients at the hospital saying that visalus had nothing to do with his heart attack, its just genetic for him. Well i went to make some reserch about that on the net….nothing. So i continued.
 Its been 2 months now, i’m a rising star wouhouuuuuu did it but my pour 8 years old boy lost his mommy for a hole month…its ok because it will pay one day…but i’m thinking…hey…trying to sale Visalus to people is so hard…planting seed does not seem to work…the second month not a single party, none of my customers are realy satisfied to do so…and mainly…i don’t feel like i want to push anyone for gaining money. But my recruter is pushing on me…bringing me to conventions etc..He’s telling me that 1 don’t have the right attitude and approach..i should demonstrate that it is crucial that they try the product….that we need only 1 person to make the buisness advanced…last month it was only finding 3 distributors plus 1000$ of sale.. The stress is bigger…my energy is passing in that…i feel guilty not to honor my friend, guilty  because i dont feel good to push, guilty for not pushing for new clients that are absolutely not interresting  or my customers that i already have, to keep their orders, guilty not to do enough for my distributors except attending their parties and preparing them..guilty to loose the money that i invested to fast even if i was not interrested in selling at the beggining and ashamed because i let myself beeing fool..WOW suppose to be an easy job…better then working for an employer…making your own time when you want to work..having a support group…but i experienced the opposite…not easy job like they tried to make me think, having not one but 2 Boss calling me for reports, and for the support i feel pressure more then anything …etc.. They also had told me they would find a way so i can get new customers by sending me to parties…never…i had to plan my own and find my customers. Did i told you that i don’t drive and i’m not working because of my desease…. They new all that and promessed to helped me.
Now i realised that if i continue, i will fell right back where icome from…healt problems, lost in energy for so little money…and making money on my friend’s and family’s back no way! Not my style. so in french we sy…if you took the pill you have to swalloed it…that means if you make a bad decision, you have to live the consequences! So i’m swollowing my pill and i will take that as an experience in my life to grow better. Deal done…never again! Not a single MLM.
By the way…yesterday i had my results from a biopsie…they will have to do more investigations because my scells are suspects…so they will have to take of my tyroide…That has nothing to do with my desease…just a new thing…that confimed my decision of quiting this buisness. Enough stress in my life…Life is more important than a buisness or money!
Thanks again guys…. you made so much sens!
Sorry for my pour english…i’m from Montreal, Quebec and the vinet is still not in french here…one more difficulty in the buisness!

I want to tank Elizzip and Ex-Visalus distributors for opening my eyes.
Terrible how you can feel ashame when your enter a distribusionship like
Visalus without beeing able to sale or when you just don’t want to rush
people to buy. At the beggening i was approach by old frieds from
college ( i’m 44 now) and was desparate to regain energy after 18
operations in 4 years. That was my real goal when i started Visalus and
it worked after 1 week so i was realy happy and suddenly they wanted me
to become a distributor and 1 had a week to make my decision so my
friend could be a raising star. All of the sudden i was a distributor
because i felt bad to let go my friend who helped me regaining my
energy…..and so on.

After a while a strarted my rising star course to please my recrutor and
so on… I past the first month working like crazy, preparing parties,
even going at the hospital to talk to people like me, talking about the ”
supposed benefits on healt that my friend told me she saw, my
experience, my weigh loss, and going on many “lost weight forums” to put
my annonces. During that month my new customers where not so impressed
by the product…they almost didn’t see any difference in their healt,
weigh or energy. Of course i was starting to understand that 1 was an
exception because of my past story of healt.  weeks after i had a
terrible pain in my cheast… thinkinf 1 was going to faint…telling my
husban to prepare himself for my hospital admission if so…but finaly
it stoped. One of my up had a heart attack the next week but he is so
convinced of the product and the buisness that he recruted 3 clients at
the hospital saying that visalus had nothing to do with his heart
attack, its just genetic for him. Well i went to make some reserch about
that on the net….nothing. So i continued.

 Its been 2 months now, i’m a rising star wouhouuuuuu did it but my pour
8 years old boy lost his mommy for a hole month…its ok because it
will pay one day…but i’m thinking…hey…trying to sale Visalus to
people is so hard…planting seed does not seem to work…the second
month not a single party, none of my customers are realy satisfied to do
so…and mainly…i don’t feel like i want to push anyone for gaining
money. But my recruter is pushing on me…bringing me to conventions
etc..He’s telling me that 1 don’t have the right attitude and
approach..i should demonstrate that it is crucial that they try the
product….that we need only 1 person to make the buisness
advanced…last month it was only finding 3 distributors plus 1000$ of
sale.. The stress is bigger…my energy is passing in that…i feel
guilty not to honor my friend, guilty  because i dont feel good to push,
guilty for not pushing for new clients that are absolutely not
interresting  or my customers that i already have, to keep their orders,
guilty not to do enough for my distributors except attending their
parties and preparing them..guilty to loose the money that i invested to
fast even if i was not interrested in selling at the beggining and
ashamed because i let myself beeing fool..WOW suppose to be an easy
job…better then working for an employer…making your own time when
you want to work..having a support group…but i experienced the
opposite…not easy job like they tried to make me think, having not one
but 2 Boss calling me for reports, and for the support i feel pressure
more then anything …etc.. They also had told me they would find a way
so i can get new customers by sending me to parties…never…i had to
plan my own and find my customers. Did i told you that i don’t drive and
i’m not working because of my desease…. They new all that and
promessed to helped me.

Now i realised that if i continue, i will fell right back where icome
from…healt problems, lost in energy for so little money…and making
money on my friend’s and family’s back no way! Not my style. so in
french we sy…if you took the pill you have to swalloed it…that means
if you make a bad decision, you have to live the consequences! So i’m
swollowing my pill and i will take that as an experience in my life to
grow better. Deal done…never again! Not a single MLM.